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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 22:30:32 GMT -5
It's heroes reborn all over again but with DC this time.
so long as they dont have Rob Liefeld it should be fine.
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Post by Silver on May 31, 2011 22:32:38 GMT -5
Let me just repost what I posted on the Vine. Maybe it will generate some discussion. "I like how half the comments in this thread pertain to the costume designs instead of actually addressing the primary issue at hand. Because the costumes will really make the stories more enjoyable... Now, where to start with this: Some will have altered origins, yes. Some will not even exist in continuity. www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/31/flashpost-the-issue-one-renumbering-of-the-dc-universe/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29&utm_content=Twitter It will accomplish no such thing. Younger readers will not instinctively want to read about Superman more if he was in his low 20s or even if he was in his late teens. He is still Superman. The preconceptions associated with the character will remain, whether his age and specific details of his classic costume do or not. Furthermore, movies, TV shows, and any and every other medium that these characters are adapted into will still be represented in their prior forms, i.e., a Superman that wears his original costume, a Superman that champions age-old moral ideals, and a Superman that works at the Daily Planet under the hiding-in-plain-sight disguise of the clumsy Clark Kent, and these other mediums (movies, TV shows) are viewed by more people than the comics are. For this to have any substantial effects on how comic characters are perceived by people, it will have to function for years on end while somehow simultaneously reconstructing the views of people that still see Superman as he was in the Silver Age. Another obstacle that writers face is that they will have to discover a way of advertising that makes this reboot relevant to people who do not already read comics. In short, this may gain some new readers, but it will also lose loyal readers. And the odds of the former greatly outweighing the latter are slim. Primary detail of note is that they are "not wanting to get in to DC." Any well-informed DC reader knows better than that. DC is not about constant retcons; Geoff Johns is. Since you are not a regular follower of DC, I can understand why you would assume this. 1. They do only have one origin. Earth-One, Earth-Two, and New Earth are all completely different universes. Spider-Man does not have multiple origin stories because of the fact that there are myriads of Spider-Men throughout the Marvel Multiverse. There is only one, mainstream, Earth-616 Spider-Man, and he only has one origin story. Now, yes, some characters have had nuances of their origins revised, but their origin is solitary. 2. Not every character is an extension of America's beliefs or agents of its desired result in social matters. The entire point of the Justice League Europe and the Justice League International was to abandon the leaning toward America's interests. More to the point, the few DC characters that actually were conceived as patriotic heroes have gradually declined from that representation. 3. This is just false. Super strength + flight is not even remotely the main set of powers among DC heroes. Their powers are just as diversified as Marvel characters are. The reason this misconception is perpetuated to begin with is because two out of three of their Trinity showcase these powers. What is not addressed is what else Superman and Wonder Woman have in their arsenal. Superman has heat vision, super breath, a super scream, and energy absorption. Wonder Woman has gauntlets that are altogether immutable and indestructible that can emit a force field in front of her and project magic lightning. Her lasso has several capabilities of influence over those wrapped in it, such as forceful truth-extraction, illusions, reversion to a true form, etc. Now, carrying that to other members of the Justice League, Flash is a speedster who can vibrate through matter, steal speed, lend speed, absorb kinetic energy, absorb inertia, strike with incredible force as a result of ascertaining mass when accelerating, and so on. The Manhunter from Mars has vast shape shifting abilities, telepathic powers, intangibility, invisibility, energy vision, and some others. Green Lanterns can create energy solids of practically limitless forms on scales as large as whole celestial bodies, render themselves invisible/intangible, simulate telekinesis, simulate telepathy, open wormholes, etc. etc. It might be a good change, if not altogether unnecessary. Not all but some will. It is true. Superman has had changes: Superman Blue as only one example, Wonder Woman had two: biker outfit/current Odyssey look, Martian Manhunter has had two in the last decade: Post-52 uniform/Brightest Day costume, Green Lanterns have had several costume changes, Batman has had multiple armors as well as a recent costume change for Inc. Eh, he is not dead. Have you read Brightest Day? He survived the event. This. Addendum: Geoff Johns for the majority of the last decade has been utterly incapable of compromising his story with continuity. He retcons retcons to make his stories work. That damages continuity. The problem with Johns is that he is not content with how a character is already established. He needs to force his own interpretation on it by retroactively rewriting their history. That is not a sign of appreciation for a character. It is more a sign of, "Yeah, I like this but not this or this. So let me just fix that part, and it'll be fine. But, oh, wait, that part needs to be changed too....and that....and that...." There is no good reason for it. Writers should simply conduct research into characters to understand their attitudes, goals, morals, backstories, and event history. From there, they can use them properly in a story. That is how they should use characters. Johns, on the other hand, conducts research into characters (sometimes) to understand their attitudes, goals, morals, backstories, and event histories and then controls those aspects and changes them to fit his design." |
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Post by mark5 on May 31, 2011 23:28:34 GMT -5
I'm scared of which characters will get deleted.
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Post by Khaos King on May 31, 2011 23:36:17 GMT -5
i hate seeing Batman part of the JLA i remember how pissed i was when i saw Bats join the JLA in early 2000 story.. i was like he is a shadow like writhe he is a myth he shouldnt be on such a high profile team.. for a while Bats would hide from the camera and the public when he started off with the team but after a while writers forgot to do that in the comics to the point bats was standing in full view of the public from time to time...
screw the retcon for not putting bats back in the alleys of Gotham...... I bet one of the reasons for the retcon was Batman Inc >_>
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 1, 2011 0:42:37 GMT -5
i hate seeing Batman part of the JLA i remember how pissed i was when i saw Bats join the JLA in early 2000 story.. i was like he is a shadow like writhe he is a myth he shouldnt be on such a high profile team.. for a while Bats would hide from the camera and the public when he started off with the team but after a while writers forgot to do that in the comics to the point bats was standing in full view of the public from time to time... screw the retcon for not putting bats back in the alleys of Gotham...... I bet one of the reasons for the retcon was Batman Inc >_> Batman INC will continue just fine,infact Morrison will now be writing Superman. New Gods will most likely remain unaffected,second and third generation characters are the one's who are in danger. Eobard Thawne succeeded where Antimonitor,Parallax,Alex Luthor and Darkseid failed.HURRAY |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 1, 2011 1:08:50 GMT -5
Oh God, I just realized... We're gonna have to build our debates from scratch again. All that huge amount of comics we've read? That enormous knowledge we've collected? Down the drain. New characters, new feats, new debates.
Crap.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 1, 2011 1:12:42 GMT -5
Supes lost his red underoos.  |
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 1:23:40 GMT -5
Oh God, I just realized... We're gonna have to build our debates from scratch again. All that huge amount of comics we've read? That enormous knowledge we've collected? Down the drain. New characters, new feats, new debates. Crap.  I sincerely hope this only lasts a few years. Not really sure it will only be temporary, but I can hope. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 1, 2011 1:31:38 GMT -5
Of course I may be getting ahead of myself a bit. It remains to be seen whether Flashpoint will be the ubereboot (Yes, I'm proud of that) of the "Nothing is canon unless we say so" variety like COIE, or "Everything is canon unless we say so" like IC and Zero hour.
Personally, I really can't picture them doing the former. In fact, I'd wager that this is more a gimmick than a serious massive change in the universe.
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 1:34:49 GMT -5
I doubt it will be another COIE. But it will change characters in several ways based on what has already been stated.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 1, 2011 1:39:43 GMT -5
Yeah, but they always say that.
I agree with just about everything you've said in that vine quote, btw.
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Post by cm24 on Jun 1, 2011 1:42:33 GMT -5
I like some of the costumes like Superman's, they finally got rid of the underwears, I have very big doubts about this.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 1, 2011 1:54:18 GMT -5
Johns,i am so disappointed.
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 1:55:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but they always say that. I agree with just about everything you've said in that vine quote, btw. Well, some of Johns' arcs have been confirmed as still being in-continuity, I think (of course, his works stay...). Cool. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 1, 2011 1:57:35 GMT -5
Why the hell are the other writers mum about this? especially Morrison? i thought his influence was just a notch under Johns.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 1, 2011 2:05:36 GMT -5
Though i just love how people at CV are drooling over Jim Lee costumes and a Clark/Diana relationship when there are much more pressing matters at hand.
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 2:08:37 GMT -5
Though i just love how people at CV are drooling over Jim Lee costumes and a Clark/Diana relationship when there are much more pressing matters at hand. I found that very silly as well. Yes, the art is great. Jim Lee is the best evar! Now let's kindly discuss the real point of this, please. Viners have no attention span. LOL. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 1, 2011 2:09:22 GMT -5
Why the hell are the other writers mum about this? especially Morrison? i thought his influence was just a notch under Johns. The fact that they're complacent would support this being just a gimmick. Honestly, do you see anyone telling Morrison to drop what he's doing? WHUT? |
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Post by Silver on Jun 1, 2011 2:12:32 GMT -5
Phantom Stargrave: Go check the thread on the Vine. I forgot which page it was (too lazy to find it), but I think Babs made an update about a possible relationship between Supes and Diana. Poor Lois.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 1, 2011 2:57:03 GMT -5
Phantom Stargrave: Go check the thread on the Vine. I forgot which page it was (too lazy to find it), but I think Babs made an update about a possible relationship between Supes and Diana. Poor Lois. Brand New Day DC style  |
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