Even if we overlook regen and assume that Cassandra can KO Laura we would have to assume that Laura isn't even skilled or fast enough to touch Cassandra for her to win.
Blades are nothing new the Cassie, they are tuesday for her. Not that the blades can't hurt her. But Cassie is superior in physically and much better skill wise. She can also predict moves.
Without the regen trump card. Cassie would win.
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Even if we overlook regen and assume that Cassandra can KO Laura we would have to assume that Laura isn't even skilled or fast enough to touch Cassandra for her to win.
Blades are nothing new the Cassie, they are tuesday for her. Not that the blades can't hurt her. But Cassie is superior in physically and much better skill wise. She can also predict moves.
Without the regen trump card. Cassie would win.
We're not talking about Blades we're talking about claws that cut through anything.She can dodge but she can't disarm.Again..we would have to assume that X-23 can't touch Cassie at all to win.X-23 connects once and there goes the fight and Cassandra Cain isn't that fast.
X-23 connects once and there goes the fight and Cassandra Cain isn't that fast.
I don't think this is true, wolvie in fights against other marvel characters has connected more then once without that ending the fight right there. I don't see how x-23, being less skill and much less impressive attribute wise would be different against an opponent that is better then her in every way except toughness.
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X-23 connects once and there goes the fight and Cassandra Cain isn't that fast.
I don't think this is true, wolvie in fights against other marvel characters has connected more then once without that ending the fight right there. I don't see how x-23, being less skill and much less impressive attribute wise would be different against an opponent that is better then her in every way except toughness.
Wolverine doesn't touch Marvel Superheroes with his claws unless they can take it because they would die but Wolverine has proven he has more than enough speed and skill to actually connect with his claws.Wolverine is better than alot of characters in everyway but he still gets hit.The idea that Cassandra Cain won't get touched by claws is ridiculous.She's not that far above X-23 in any area.She's not Spider-Man or Temugin of somebody like that.
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It's not like every single tag is going to be a critical stab. It's possible, but it's every bit as likely the injury could be a flesh wound.
It's not but it's not like X-23 isn't going to tag her repeatedly before the fight ends.The only way I see Cassandra winning this is with writers.There would have to be a plot device.I knock down drag out with X-23 would mean death for Cain.
I don't know such Cassie has such an incredible amount of pain tolerance, but I've seen some ridiculous feats from her...like taking down Mad Dog after being stabbed in the chest, and charging a gunman while being tagged multiple times with high caliber rounds.
For such a little girl, she puts a lot of street levelers pain tolerance to shame, lol.
I don't know such Cassie has such an incredible amount of pain tolerance, but I've seen some ridiculous feats from her...like taking down Mad Dog after being stabbed in the chest, and charging a gunman while being tagged multiple times with high caliber rounds.
For such a little girl, she puts a lot of street levelers pain tolerance to shame, lol.
Well her pain tolerance certainly isn't comparable to that of X-23.Not that you were comparing the two..I just thought i'd throw that out there.I think she's in bigger trouble with Laura then she was with Mad Dog because she can't be disarmed and she's not ranked highly in the Marvel U but she's skilled enough to get hits off.The slightest opening could be the deathblow.
Doubtful. Laura has never once delievered a death blow to someone with comparable speed to her and one that could predict her movements. I'd like to think Mister X beating Wolverine is proof that a healing factor and adamantium claws isn't enough to beat them. Wolverine is a top fighter Laura is not. The only person Cass has been tagged by that didn't have some form of enhanced speed or reaction was Nightwing and he only tagged her twice.
Doubtful. Laura has never once delievered a death blow to someone with comparable speed to her and one that could predict her movements. I'd like to think Mister X beating Wolverine is proof that a healing factor and adamantium claws isn't enough to beat them. Wolverine is a top fighter Laura is not. The only person Cass has been tagged by that didn't have some form of enhanced speed or reaction was Nightwing and he only tagged her twice.
1.Batgirl's movement reading is no different from Radar Sense or Spider-Sense.It's not full proof.So if Batgirl has comparable speed to her she will still get tagged.As shown in comics you don't have to be as fast as X-23 or even have any speed feats to hit Cassandra Cain.
2.X-23 never delivering a deathblow on other street levelers is due to a flaw in comic writing.It's not because she can't.When ever she does land hits with her claws on someone it's always someone who has healing factor so that she doesn't kill them.Writers aren't going to let X-23 killed another street leveler in a random encounter.
3.Cassandra Cain isn't Mister X.
4.Nobody ever disputed whether X-23 was a better fighter than Cassandra Cain or not.
5.What you're saying about Cassandra Cain being tagged by characters who have enhanced speed or reaction isn't true because Onyx,Poison Ivy,Black Canary,Mad Dog,etc. Don't have enhanced speed.
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I completely agree with your #2 Vance. Whenever X fights established fighters, he attacks are non-lethal. However she tears through armies of nameless fighters with one-hit deathblows all the time.
1.Batgirl's movement reading is no different from Radar Sense or Spider-Sense.It's not full proof.So if Batgirl has comparable speed to her she will still get tagged.As shown in comics you don't have to be as fast as X-23 or even have any speed feats to hit Cassandra Cain.
Sorry bout the late reply I didn't realize that anyone had commented here. No it's not full proof but she reads body language like a blind person reads brail, it's rare for her to have a slip like that. And actaully the majority of the people that tag her do have impressive speed feats to keep up with her in a fight. Either that or they can also predict moves in some way. Nightwing is the only one I can think of that's done in a real fight.
2.X-23 never delivering a deathblow on other street levelers is due to a flaw in comic writing.It's not because she can't.When ever she does land hits with her claws on someone it's always someone who has healing factor so that she doesn't kill them.Writers aren't going to let X-23 killed another street leveler in a random encounter.
I wouldn't say it's bad writing just because she never slit a skilled fighters throat.
3.Cassandra Cain isn't Mister X.
I know this, and I also know that Laura isn't Wolverine. This was just a comparison Logan couldn't handle Mister X because he could predict his movements and was unable to land a single hit.
4.Nobody ever disputed whether X-23 was a better fighter than Cassandra Cain or not.
I haven't seen anything from Laura that would make me think otherwise. She rarely uses that skill and rarely faces skilled martial artists. Lady D, Daken, and Logan are the only ones I know of and she never beat any of them. We also know who trained her and he doesn't have any feats to his name to say that Laura was trained by one of the greatest martial artists or anything like that. Based on that I would think Cass is the better fighter of the two.
5.What you're saying about Cassandra Cain being tagged by characters who have enhanced speed or reaction isn't true because Onyx,Poison Ivy,Black Canary,Mad Dog,etc. Don't have enhanced speed.
Onyx was in a spar not a real fight, not only that but she knows Cassandra well and also fought with Lady Shiva so she knows how to fight people who can read her.
Poison Ivy? Seriously? Please don't bring people up who aren't even skilled fighters, that can't be anything other than pis.
Black Canary wasn't even in a spar she just randomly told Cass to come at her like she meant it and then hit her using one of Lady Shiva's moves.
Mad Dog was after she went days without sleeping or eating and accumulated more damage before even facing him.
None of these people beat her either. At least not in a fair fight. I honestly dislike the argument that Laura wins just because Cass can be tagged.
My mistake lol that's the only fight of the three that I haven't read. But before this goes any further I'm dropping this whole thing, I've already gotten into this on the vine I'm sure all three of you know about that, so I don't really feel like going through it again and at the same time.