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Post by Admin on Oct 28, 2011 16:46:16 GMT -5
Saying "Any Green Arrow by Winick" made us think you meant the title as a whole, not just the character.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 28, 2011 16:46:30 GMT -5
I'd rather have Winick rape some continuity and write cool stories and new characters while having the book as a consistent top 40 seller, than Krul's total snoozefest of generic writing in all respects. In your own statement is the answer why I wouldn't bag Krull. His shit's so boring that I tune out and don't get offended (or just forget it) |
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 28, 2011 16:48:47 GMT -5
Saying "Any Green Arrow by Winick" made us think you meant the title as a whole, not just the character. Yeah Sorry about that. TBH if he wrote the other characters without Ollie (or kept using Conner) I wouldn't have a problem with the guy. I just have a mad on for him because he's made me drop the title and give up on a character I really love. |
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Post by Afterglow on Oct 29, 2011 9:52:08 GMT -5
Batman by Kevin Smith Countdown to Final Crisis and all it's tieinns(Death of the New Gods,Salvation Run etc) Red Hood the Lost Days and Batman and Robin 23-25 Checkmate (the issue where Jagger beats Bane) Superman/Batman as a whole,Loeb's fitting legacy. Batman HushBatman War Games Explain yourself, sir! Or I shall be so offended that you'd wish I wasn't so offended! |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 29, 2011 10:51:46 GMT -5
Loeb's Batman stories (Long Halloween, Dark Victory and Hush) are certainly filled with stupid moments and none of them actually hold up to scrutiny once you take a closer look at their plans, but to Loeb's credit he did manage to write comics which actually hold your suspension of disbelief all the way through (unlike his other work), and I think he got the atmosphere of Batman quite nicely.
So yeah, they're stupid, but they're not that stupid IMO. Unlike, say, Superman/Batman.
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Post by jakefury on Oct 29, 2011 11:13:49 GMT -5
I actually loved the original Hush story. I also liked Green Arrow under Winnick from One Year Later to the end of that particular volume. I haven't read anything else by him on GA.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 29, 2011 13:39:37 GMT -5
I also liked Green Arrow under Winnick from One Year Later to the end of that particular volume. I haven't read anything else by him on GA. REALLY Jake. I mean seriously. Ollie had always been the extreme left wing activist fighting the system to make it work. I can see him getting into politics, but for him literally to "be the man" so quickly and become the political machinist that he was here is just too great a leap. There should have been a lot of stories of him troubled with the way the system worked to get to that point. Not to mention so easily taking down Slade, I mean suddenly he's a strategist of Bat's level's who expected a trap. I mean come on, you can't see how all this just throws Shit on the characterization of decades. There has to be development to make changes in a character this great. |
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Post by yaujtapool on Oct 29, 2011 13:57:55 GMT -5
The day Daniel Way put the pen to the paper on his Deadpool run.
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Post by jakefury on Oct 29, 2011 21:40:34 GMT -5
I also liked Green Arrow under Winnick from One Year Later to the end of that particular volume. I haven't read anything else by him on GA. REALLY Jake. I mean seriously. Ollie had always been the extreme left wing activist fighting the system to make it work. I can see him getting into politics, but for him literally to "be the man" so quickly and become the political machinist that he was here is just too great a leap. There should have been a lot of stories of him troubled with the way the system worked to get to that point. Not to mention so easily taking down Slade, I mean suddenly he's a strategist of Bat's level's who expected a trap. I mean come on, you can't see how all this just throws Shit on the characterization of decades. There has to be development to make changes in a character this great. Taking down Slade with a gang of armed henchmen is how I would do it. Besides didn't Slade allow himself to get captured so he could hook up with Drakon? |
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 29, 2011 22:31:39 GMT -5
REALLY Jake. I mean seriously. Ollie had always been the extreme left wing activist fighting the system to make it work. I can see him getting into politics, but for him literally to "be the man" so quickly and become the political machinist that he was here is just too great a leap. There should have been a lot of stories of him troubled with the way the system worked to get to that point. Not to mention so easily taking down Slade, I mean suddenly he's a strategist of Bat's level's who expected a trap. I mean come on, you can't see how all this just throws Shit on the characterization of decades. There has to be development to make changes in a character this great. . Besides didn't Slade allow himself to get captured so he could hook up with Drakon? But it's not the way Oliver Queen would in character (at least as he had been written for decades). Ollie was never the guy with the plan, he was mister reaction, by the seat of his pants etc. He always hated the stuffed shirts (e.g. Hawkman) or was the one who pulled the stick out of their @$$ (e.g. Hal). |
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Post by jakefury on Oct 29, 2011 22:39:42 GMT -5
I'm a GA noob so I can see where it'd be a sore point with longtime readers. Having zero prior knowledge of the character I had nothing to rate it against.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 30, 2011 4:48:22 GMT -5
Beat, I know this isn't the thread for it but I was wondering if you've read the new Green Arrow series and what your thoughts on it are.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 30, 2011 16:54:34 GMT -5
Beat, I know this isn't the thread for it but I was wondering if you've read the new Green Arrow series and what your thoughts on it are. It's not great, but I don't hate it. Primarily because it's pretty much what I expected. I expected with the relaunch that GA would be close to the Smallville version and that's what we've got. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 31, 2011 14:15:45 GMT -5
It's not great, but I don't hate it. Primarily because it's pretty much what I expected. I expected with the relaunch that GA would be close to the Smallville version and that's what we've got. You know I never noticed that until now. I find that quite irritating with television and film adaptations. Companies will always try to shift the character towards the latest adaptation, no matter how much said adaptation doesn't get the character. In this case it turned what is essentially the biggest social crusader in DCU into a lame Batman/Iron man rip off. |
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Post by Silver on Nov 5, 2011 14:48:04 GMT -5
-Anything related to Force sensitives when written by Karen Traviss. (LotF, for example).
-Batman fighting Despero (Trinity)
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 5, 2011 14:50:08 GMT -5
Trinity? The yearly series by Busiek?
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Post by Silver on Nov 5, 2011 14:52:47 GMT -5
The same. In one of the earlier issues, Morgaine Le Fey, Enigma, and Despero fight Superman, Diana, and Batman, and for some reason, the writers thought it was a good idea to pair Batman with Despero.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 5, 2011 14:55:57 GMT -5
The same. In one of the earlier issues, Morgaine Le Fey, Enigma, and Despero fight Superman, Diana, and Batman, and for some reason, the writers thought it was a good idea to pair Batman with Despero. But he's batman he can do anything!  /trolling |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 5, 2011 14:56:31 GMT -5
Oh yes, I remember that now. LOL Trinity. The plot in there moved slower than continental drift. I abandoned it at halfway for it.
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Post by Admin on Nov 5, 2011 14:56:55 GMT -5
Deadpool being Taskmaster's kryptonite.
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