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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 27, 2010 13:45:47 GMT -5
Tell me what you thought of his run! Favorite characters?
The Beak/Angel Salvadore stuff was great. Cassandra Nova is a BA villain too.
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 27, 2010 13:47:13 GMT -5
Xorn.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 28, 2010 4:42:23 GMT -5
Oh look, it's that book I consistently refuse to read despite Morpheus' best intentions...
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 6:04:34 GMT -5
Oh look, it's that book I consistently refuse to read despite Morpheus' best intentions...  |
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 6:57:53 GMT -5
It's the best X-Men run ever. Deep, witty, tragic, shocking, character driven and completely awe-inspiring.
Fantomex
Sublime
Weapon Plus
Xorn
Cassandra Nova
U-Men
Kick
Quentin Quire
Grant Morrison is simply beyond brilliance, and this run is Morrison gone wild with the X-Men. Fantastic stuff.
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 7:02:09 GMT -5
I would have preferred it if Xorn made a reappearance in the future, but, based on the ensuing mess after Planet X, that Claremont, and Bendis only made worse with Excalibur, and New Avengers: the Collective, respectively, as well as Marvel's general discomfort with almost anything originating from Morrison's run (only recently are plots such as Sublime, and characters like Fantomex revisited) I doubt it will ever happen.
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 7:07:59 GMT -5
I would have preferred it if Xorn made a reappearance in the future, but, based on the ensuing mess after Planet X, that Claremont, and Bendis only made worse with Excalibur, and New Avengers: the Collective, respectively, as well as Marvel's general discomfort with almost anything originating from Morrison's run (only recently are plots such as Sublime, and characters like Fantomex revisited) I doubt it will ever happen. Truthfully, I'm kinda glad a lot of it has remained untouched. Bendis and Claremont aren't half the writers Morrison is, and Marvel's handling of Magneto since Planet X has just been terrible. Magneto as Xorn was brilliant, but alas, the status quo is King. I'm happy that Morrison's ideas still remain Morrison's though. Look what happened to Jenkins' Sentry when Bendis took an interest  |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 7:21:40 GMT -5
I would have preferred it if Xorn made a reappearance in the future, but, based on the ensuing mess after Planet X, that Claremont, and Bendis only made worse with Excalibur, and New Avengers: the Collective, respectively, as well as Marvel's general discomfort with almost anything originating from Morrison's run (only recently are plots such as Sublime, and characters like Fantomex revisited) I doubt it will ever happen. Truthfully, I'm kinda glad a lot of it has remained untouched. Bendis and Claremont aren't half the writers Morrison is, and Marvel's handling of Magneto since Planet X has just been terrible. Magneto as Xorn was brilliant, but alas, the status quo is King. I'm happy that Morrison's ideas still remain Morrison's though. Look what happened to Jenkins' Sentry when Bendis took an interest
From a practical standpoint, the fact that Planet X even got published is a miracle. Magneto is one of the greatest antagonists in the MU, and surely one of the most iconic characters. Morrison used him in metacommentary fashion to illustrate all that is rotten about the stale and stagnant way that both X-Men, and the comics Universe work.
I was sad that it turned out to be Magneto, because Xorn was a great character in his own right (that, and several things don't add up for Xorn=Magneto, even though a case can be done for both, it's nowhere near as flawless as the regular Morrison subplots), and the only way that story would have been left untouched would be for the entire X-Men comics line to end there. Literally.
As it is, I enjoy the development in Magneto's character. Both Fraction (who seems to be a fan of Morrison's work, bringing back Fantomex, and mentioning a somewhat taboo issue, with Sublime), and Mike Carey have done a good work to sell Magneto as a good guy (who still has some agenta of his own), and for the time being, it works. He doesn't seem to be ready to double-cross the X-Men, and it is somewhat refreshing in comparison to the usual Magneto vs X-Men stuff we were spoon-fed during the 90s. |
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 7:24:35 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm kinda glad a lot of it has remained untouched. Bendis and Claremont aren't half the writers Morrison is, and Marvel's handling of Magneto since Planet X has just been terrible. Magneto as Xorn was brilliant, but alas, the status quo is King. I'm happy that Morrison's ideas still remain Morrison's though. Look what happened to Jenkins' Sentry when Bendis took an interest
From a practical standpoint, the fact that Planet X even got published is a miracle. Magneto is one of the greatest antagonists in the MU, and surely one of the most iconic characters. Morrison used him in metacommentary fashion to illustrate all that is rotten about the stale and stagnant way that both X-Men, and the comics Universe work.
I was sad that it turned out to be Magneto, because Xorn was a great character in his own right (that, and several things don't add up for Xorn=Magneto, even though a case can be done for both, it's nowhere near as flawless as the regular Morrison subplots), and the only way that story would have been left untouched would be for the entire X-Men comics line to end there. Literally.
As it is, I enjoy the development in Magneto's character. Both Fraction (who seems to be a fan of Morrison's work, bringing back Fantomex, and mentioning a somewhat taboo issue, with Sublime), and Mike Carey have done a good work to sell Magneto as a good guy (who still has some agenta of his own), and for the time being, it works. He doesn't seem to be ready to double-cross the X-Men, and it is somewhat refreshing in comparison to the usual Magneto vs X-Men stuff we were spoon-fed during the 90s.I agree with that, I just found the Magneto emulating the Nazis imagery to be so amazingly well done. Too often villains get glorified in comic books, and Magneto (as good a character as he is) was one such villain. People forgot that he was a warmongering psychopath, and Morrison shoved it right in their faces again and said; "remember now!?" |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 7:40:25 GMT -5
From a practical standpoint, the fact that Planet X even got published is a miracle. Magneto is one of the greatest antagonists in the MU, and surely one of the most iconic characters. Morrison used him in metacommentary fashion to illustrate all that is rotten about the stale and stagnant way that both X-Men, and the comics Universe work.
I was sad that it turned out to be Magneto, because Xorn was a great character in his own right (that, and several things don't add up for Xorn=Magneto, even though a case can be done for both, it's nowhere near as flawless as the regular Morrison subplots), and the only way that story would have been left untouched would be for the entire X-Men comics line to end there. Literally.
As it is, I enjoy the development in Magneto's character. Both Fraction (who seems to be a fan of Morrison's work, bringing back Fantomex, and mentioning a somewhat taboo issue, with Sublime), and Mike Carey have done a good work to sell Magneto as a good guy (who still has some agenta of his own), and for the time being, it works. He doesn't seem to be ready to double-cross the X-Men, and it is somewhat refreshing in comparison to the usual Magneto vs X-Men stuff we were spoon-fed during the 90s.I agree with that, I just found the Magneto emulating the Nazis imagery to be so amazingly well done. Too often villains get glorified in comic books, and Magneto (as good a character as he is) was one such villain. People forgot that he was a warmongering psychopath, and Morrison shoved it right in their faces again and said; "remember now!?"
I don't disagree, in fact people complain when they don't recall Morrison himself bailed Marvel out and gave them the opportunity to bring Magneto, or Xorn back, by mentioning Magneto/Xorn was being controlled by Sublime at the time, so he wasn't himself.
But no, let's retcon everything in a way that makes no sense. I mean, Claremont actually took an inside joke on Morrison's behalf, and made it a plot point. Morrison had Magneto/Xorn says "Maybe that's my power, Charles? To always come back" a way of saying "guys, you've had Magneto come back from the dead a gazillion times already", and Claremont actually had Xavier tell Magneto that "The impostor told me his power is to come back from the dead", in a serious manner.
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 7:50:01 GMT -5
I agree with that, I just found the Magneto emulating the Nazis imagery to be so amazingly well done. Too often villains get glorified in comic books, and Magneto (as good a character as he is) was one such villain. People forgot that he was a warmongering psychopath, and Morrison shoved it right in their faces again and said; "remember now!?"
I don't disagree, in fact people complain when they don't recall Morrison himself bailed Marvel out and gave them the opportunity to bring Magneto, or Xorn back, by mentioning Magneto/Xorn was being controlled by Sublime at the time, so he wasn't himself.
But no, let's retcon everything in a way that makes no sense. I mean, Claremont actually took an inside joke on Morrison's behalf, and made it a plot point. Morrison had Magneto/Xorn says "Maybe that's my power, Charles? To always come back" a way of saying "guys, you've had Magneto come back from the dead a gazillion times already", and Claremont actually had Xavier tell Magneto that "The impostor told me his power is to come back from the dead", in a serious manner.
....That's just sad. I always looked at Xorn/Sublime/Kick as being Magneto unchained. Erik being a pure mutant, in the respect that he has no humanity left. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, though. Have you heard the theory that Sublime is actually the Marvel Editors? He's an evolutionary dead end that wants to remain in control and prevent change... |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 7:56:45 GMT -5
I don't disagree, in fact people complain when they don't recall Morrison himself bailed Marvel out and gave them the opportunity to bring Magneto, or Xorn back, by mentioning Magneto/Xorn was being controlled by Sublime at the time, so he wasn't himself.
But no, let's retcon everything in a way that makes no sense. I mean, Claremont actually took an inside joke on Morrison's behalf, and made it a plot point. Morrison had Magneto/Xorn says "Maybe that's my power, Charles? To always come back" a way of saying "guys, you've had Magneto come back from the dead a gazillion times already", and Claremont actually had Xavier tell Magneto that "The impostor told me his power is to come back from the dead", in a serious manner.
....That's just sad. I always looked at Xorn/Sublime/Kick as being Magneto unchained. Erik being a pure mutant, in the respect that he has no humanity left. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, though. Have you heard the theory that Sublime is actually the Marvel Editors? He's an evolutionary dead end that wants to remain in control and prevent change...
LOL. That would make sense.
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 7:59:06 GMT -5
That's just sad. I always looked at Xorn/Sublime/Kick as being Magneto unchained. Erik being a pure mutant, in the respect that he has no humanity left. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, though. Have you heard the theory that Sublime is actually the Marvel Editors? He's an evolutionary dead end that wants to remain in control and prevent change...
LOL. That would make sense.
Xorn was, in my opinion, everything that is good in Magneto. His "inner star".Yeah, I agree. Sorry, when I said Xorn/Kick/Sublime I meant psycho Nazi Mags, not peace and love Mags. He was split in two during that series. |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 8:00:10 GMT -5
LOL. That would make sense.
Xorn was, in my opinion, everything that is good in Magneto. His "inner star".Yeah, I agree. Sorry, when I said Xorn/Kick/Sublime I meant psycho Nazi Mags, not peace and love Mags. He was split in two during that series. |
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 8:01:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. Sorry, when I said Xorn/Kick/Sublime I meant psycho Nazi Mags, not peace and love Mags. He was split in two during that series. (thumbs up) Phenomenal run. My favourite Marvel run ever. =] |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 8:03:08 GMT -5
Then I can surely agree with that. (thumbs up) Phenomenal run. My favourite Marvel run ever. =] |
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Post by FadeToBlackBolt on Oct 28, 2010 8:07:20 GMT -5
(thumbs up) Phenomenal run. My favourite Marvel run ever. =] Nice. Maybe you should make a thread for it in the general comic chat?  |
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 28, 2010 8:09:52 GMT -5
I consider making a top 10 (or more) from the past decade. Needless to say New X-Men will be there. Nice. Maybe you should make a thread for it in the general comic chat?  |
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 28, 2010 8:10:05 GMT -5
Xorn is TOPS
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