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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jan 6, 2012 10:31:07 GMT -5
@sm: Remember, this Lucifer doesn't know who Constantine is because he never existed here. I'm sure am being lazy by not re-reading it. But he exist outside the universe. And can enter any universe and be the same being. So he exist in every DC universe. There is only one Lucifer. And he knowns very well who John Constantine is.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Jan 6, 2012 11:14:34 GMT -5
Sherlock Laforet/NeXus, I guess too much time spent under Spidey's Stats have dulled your ability to shoot for the stars? The whole point of things like this is for you to expand your knowledge on the higher end of the power spectrum. Let's get out of our comfort zones and stop the Anti-Monitor! Well when you put it that way i have no choice do i?Ill see what i can come up with.My psycological strategy should be sound im not guarenteeing that the team will be able to take down AM
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 6, 2012 13:12:03 GMT -5
I knew Lucifer could walk between universes but I was unaware that he was the Lucifer of every universe. Good to know I guess.
I was thinking you would go for Starro and Lobo, Beatboks. Tribulus, though, you'll have to come up with another means of controlling him as Mind Control on your target is out. Remember, you are facing the Anti-Monitor so feel free to use up all 10 slots.
This is all for fun anyway, Sherlock. If you learn something during the course of coming up with a team then all the better.
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 6, 2012 20:42:05 GMT -5
OK for Tribulus. He's beginning to experience pain because of the implant in his head. Dox convinces him to serve him for a mission that if successful Dox will remove the implant and make it impossible for anyone to use one again.
Technically if I had Starro control others I'm not its just an extension of someone I have " convinced" starro's spores control a multitude of lower level villains as "shock troops" ( canon fodder)
I also see Vill using his "fathers " arrogance and pride to make him a weapon. He sets it up so that Brainiac is convinced he can regain control of Colu by conecting to a certain computer. When he does his higher brain functions are overloaded and he becomes highly suggestible ( it's not mind control). This also will give Dox control of war world due to his machinations
5 down 5 more to go
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 6, 2012 22:48:33 GMT -5
Team member 6 Dox approaches Zod and offers him an antidote for Kryptonite in exchange for his services. Knowing he has done as much for Daxamites he agrees planning to usehis new lack of weakness for total domination later. Of course the cure Dox will come up with will be short lived.
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 7, 2012 0:16:21 GMT -5
@dedman just re-read the rules (mr loophole) technically it said I couldn't use TP to mind control. There was no mention of implants or other means. Not that it matters I've changed tack. Just pointing that out
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 7, 2012 1:24:09 GMT -5
Zod and Brainiac are definitely good choices. Use of coercion on Tribulus is reasonable.
Starro is a good means of circumventing my mind control rule. Good job finding a way around the rules though that was intended if you chose to use evil against evil. Keep in mind that Starro is a skilled manipulator as well so he may still attempt to betray you.
I used telepathy as an example when laying out the scenario but in the rules section it clearly says you may not use Mind Control on your intended targets. You don't think the master of loopholes would not be ready for a loophole.
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 7, 2012 6:45:52 GMT -5
Team member number 7 will be Sinestro. Dox's deal with Sinestro will be that all those he "aquires" will be given to Sinstro for the Sinstro Corpse, but with measures that will ensure Sinstro himself retains absolute control.
Team member 8 Neron. Dox will convince Neron that he can supply him with a 10000 noble souls who will sell their soul to Dox to be saved from the coming travesty. he'll point out to Neron that these beings wont trust him as they will think he's the cause of the problem if he should try to do it himself. To work the offer can only come from a "hero" So to recap we have
Team member 9 will be Mordru. With the future knowledge Dox gained he will know how Mordu acquired the rule of Sorceress World. Dox will offer Mordru Rule of SW (at which Mordru will scoff, you can offer me nothing I cannot take). Dox assures him he knows he will take it, but he also knows how he will LOOSE it. serve him for this battle and you will know how to keep it.
Team member # 10 Eclipso. Dox first creates a sensor that can detect and trace shards of the black diamond (containing the essence of the "former" spirit of God's wrath). After analyzing one from a far he comes up with a device specifically keyed to the "vibrations' of the crystal that with utterly destroy it. He them tracks 100's more shards and attaches devices all linked to a remote control device that he implants in his head. When he approaches Eclipso he quickly informs him how the device works and that if he doesn't consciously will it the devices will destroy 100's of pieces of the former diamond destroying a large part of his essence and his power. That he will never again be fully powered if this happens and will be a shadow (pun intended) of his former self). that means that if Vrill is killed, or becomes mind controlled Eclispo will be lost. If he survives until the threat is done Dox will give Eclipso ALL the pieces he knows the where abouts too.
1.Lobo - Physically on Superman's level in strength and durability with his ability to regenerate duplicates from a drop of blood returned for the battle
2.Tribulus Physical strength and durability above Supergirl, high level energy manipulator, and psionic
3.Pulsar Stargrave massive energy manipulator. basically a living Star in the 20th Century with the ability to absorb almost all forms of energy and control and release it, plus control over gravitons. I've decided, instead of trickery that Dox will simply hack his system the same way his son did (more complete control)
4.Starro Super Strength, energy absorption, possession, Psionic. Who using his power will control every enhanced low level villain in the evil universe
5.Brainiac Psionic, massive data processing ability, complete access to the Coluan Data core (and all the manufacturing capability that brings with his back doors), control of War World with all it's resources (once Dox finds what ever back doors that Brainiac created to that)
6.Zod only real Kryptonian in this U (nuff said)
7.Sinestro Granting Yellow power rings to all members
8.Neron Lord of hell (well he was anyway)
9.Mordru Lord of Chaos
10. Eclipso the former spirit of the presences Wrath. Since the Spectre is the new spirit of Vengeance (tempered by mercy / ala new testament) when full let loose has the potential to be greater than Spectre (all shards together unfettered)
I think that will be more than sufficient to deal with this. Eclipso is of course the fail safe should anyone try and betray him (mind wipe him, possess him) since for Eclipso to survive he can't allow that
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 7, 2012 7:44:02 GMT -5
I considered trying to recruit Darkseid, but decided there was no feasible way even Vrill could manipulate him.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jan 7, 2012 9:34:15 GMT -5
Think John Constantine could?
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 7, 2012 10:09:24 GMT -5
Think John Constantine could? I could see ways. yes.
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 8, 2012 21:27:46 GMT -5
OH few things I forgot to mention with regards my team.
1. Neron obviously brings to the party anyone who's soul he possesses. his presence also makes things darker in a metaphysical sense (like during underworld unleashed when those with "darkness powers" like Obsidian, Nightshade etc where at all time highs power wise)
2. Mordru as an extension of his involvement could also bring the rest of the Lords of Chaos.
3. Eclipso controls all the villains in the universe (courtesy of the "darker" aspect brought by Neron making his power greater)that Starro can't (except those who've been proven out side his control like Darkseid). Since his manner of doing so is by possession of the soul and NOT mind control it doesn't break the rules
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jan 8, 2012 21:58:44 GMT -5
OH few things I forgot to mention with regards my team. 1. Neron obviously brings to the party anyone who's soul he possesses. his presence also makes things darker in a metaphysical sense (like during underworld unleashed when those with "darkness powers" like Obsidian, Nightshade etc where at all time highs power wise) 2. Mordru as an extension of his involvement could also bring the rest of the Lords of Chaos. 3. Eclipso controls all the villains in the universe (courtesy of the "darker" aspect brought by Neron making his power greater)that Starro can't (except those who've been proven out side his control like Darkseid). Since his manner of doing so is by possession of the soul and NOT mind control it doesn't break the rules You haven't really thought this through have you?
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 8, 2012 22:41:23 GMT -5
OH few things I forgot to mention with regards my team. 1. Neron obviously brings to the party anyone who's soul he possesses. his presence also makes things darker in a metaphysical sense (like during underworld unleashed when those with "darkness powers" like Obsidian, Nightshade etc where at all time highs power wise) 2. Mordru as an extension of his involvement could also bring the rest of the Lords of Chaos. 3. Eclipso controls all the villains in the universe (courtesy of the "darker" aspect brought by Neron making his power greater)that Starro can't (except those who've been proven out side his control like Darkseid). Since his manner of doing so is by possession of the soul and NOT mind control it doesn't break the rules You haven't really thought this through have you? . In what way (or was this sarcasm). My 10 recruits could deal with the problem alone. Eclipso has has defeated Spectre several times. plus fought and almost defeated all DC's heroes in the mini that Starman sacrificed himself to win. Mordu has taken down the JSA, plus the combined LOSH/JLA/JSA (that's a LOT of powerhouses to beat) Starro has conquered vasts areas of space Pulsare Stargrave has beaten the LOSH (as well as Time Trapper and Mordru - Neron has battled all of DC heroes in underworld unleashed and only lost due to his greed (deal fro Cap marvel's soul, he'll have Dox here to make sure he doesn't do something stupid like that again) Brainiac in Panic in the sky had all Earths heroes on the defensive (when he had war world) Sinestro has caused quite a bit of trouble for plenty of heroes in the wars of light Zod and Trubulus are both Superman level (tribulus with ather powers to boot) And Lobo is a threat even hell can't deal with. Add in the ability of 3 of my guys to bring in almost every other villain but Darkseid (who honestly I see joining up to manipulate some of the players post threat to his ends) I can't think of anything I've overlooked.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jan 8, 2012 22:49:34 GMT -5
The answer is in the first sentence.
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 11, 2012 19:43:37 GMT -5
The answer is in the first sentence. Oh OK then. Once my team defeats Anti-monitor Dox plays them against each other (the way he played the Dominion empire against the Kund empire) in such a way that Eclipso is the last man standing (that includes all the evil villains they control between them). he then detonates his devices on the crystal shards and makes Eclipso weak enough that a new solar ray he's developed takes him out leaving Dox in charge of a new ordered (and completely fearful - knowing Dox has taken out all those other players) universe that is no longer evil. ;D
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 14, 2012 9:33:22 GMT -5
Is NO ONE else having a shot at this
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 15, 2012 0:05:57 GMT -5
Great post Beatboks, you found a great way to not only manipulate your targets but also use them to keep each other in check.
I know this is not exactly the point, but your plan for post Anti-Monitor is a little evil in and of itself. You won't have really made the universe any less evil, just under your control.
I would like to see how Constantine might approach this Beatboks but alas it seems as though it is not in the cards.
I am thinking of doing one of these for the Marvel Universe, would you be interested?
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Post by Beatboks on Jan 15, 2012 1:24:00 GMT -5
Great post Beatboks, you found a great way to not only manipulate your targets but also use them to keep each other in check. I know this is not exactly the point, but your plan for post Anti-Monitor is a little evil in and of itself. You won't have really made the universe any less evil, just under your control. I would like to see how Constantine might approach this Beatboks but alas it seems as though it is not in the cards. I am thinking of doing one of these for the Marvel Universe, would you be interested? Well Vril isn't exactly "good" more amoral. He does what he does only because he came to despise everything his father stood for because he couldn't show him his acceptance. So it's only natural that his way of doing things would be a little evil. I'll be watching the marvel one, but alas I've not been as up on Marvel for the last decade (and a half ish) as i have for DC. There's only a few Marvel characters I still keep up with ( Iron Fist, Thor , Daredevil, and the occasional Daimon Hellstrom, the very occasional {like 4 issues} of the new Sorcerer Supreme - would also be longshot if he got more play). At least with DC I kept reading (almost religiously) JSA (and ALL related), Shadowpact, REBELS, Doom Patrol, Booster Gold and anything they tied into until each title died. Plus my occasional pick ups of others and mini's like Reign in hell, and some other favorites that I continued to collect until the crap writing just got the better of me (like GA/BC ) Nothing like the 60 to 70 odd titles I got every month in the 80's and early 90's.
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 23, 2012 10:24:54 GMT -5
a little bump for the benefit of some of our newer members to participate in ( CB, illuminatus, revamp ?)
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