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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 8, 2012 16:07:01 GMT -5
Essentially, I have been having trouble coming up with a means of stopping my tele-shrink attack.
It requires no less than three street levelers: A Teleporter, A Shrinker, and Mr. Negative. Mr. Negative is the only must have as his corruption abilities make team chemistry and morals unimportant as well as providing an incredibly apt tactician capable of pulling off this sort of strategy.
As for the Teleporter, I generally like to use Nightcrawler. Nightcrawler can teleport at above 6 jumps a second making one of the fastest teleporters in comics. In lieu of Kurt, Spiral or Vanisher are good replacements.
And the Shrinker, I like the Atom. He can shrink well into the subatomic if need be so no foe can truly create a shield that he can't shrink through.
So what do you get when you put them all together? Probably the most unstoppable strategy I have ever come up with. The way the plan works is Mr. Negative uses his mojo to turn Nightcrawler and the Atom. The Atom then shrinks Nightcrawler and Mr. Negative. Nightcrawler then teleports the group into the brains/power cores of the foe and simply destroys them.
Now obviously for this scenario, there will be some rules.
Try and stay at a relatively street level with your picks but you may exceed that as I want to test how strong this combo really is.
No Magic Users
No Telepathy
Avoid simply speed blitzing as I already know it counters this much like it does everything.
So, I put it to you fellow Ledgers, can you beat my team?
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Post by Admin on Mar 8, 2012 16:10:28 GMT -5
Catman.
Teams are for idiots and he bites their throats.
Next?
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 8, 2012 17:07:33 GMT -5
Also, I said keep it street level not reality warping demigods. What are you going to try next Vulture? Or Croc and his Rock?
Mr. Negative has a healing factor and superhuman traits that allow him to fight Spider-man. I think Negative on his own would hand Catman his claws.
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Post by jakefury on Mar 8, 2012 18:27:13 GMT -5
Untrue, he's beaten Captain Nazi and demons in hell with ease. :-p
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 8, 2012 18:48:08 GMT -5
Beast Boy, Citizen Steel and Fire. Thought I'd give something other than, Spectre, Presence, TOAA etc.  |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 8, 2012 18:58:37 GMT -5
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Post by jakefury on Mar 8, 2012 19:00:06 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 8, 2012 19:16:40 GMT -5
I don't see how Citizen Steel survives, only his exterior is steel, his interior is still made of squishy bits that get destroyed.
Beast Boy may last longer but his ability to shrink is nowhere near the Atom's ability. Eventually, he loses out.
Fire is probably your best bet but only because she becomes green plasma fire stuff. I suppose intangibility may be the best counter but it doesn't lead to victory. By the way the Atom has walked through the Atomic Fires of Firestorm and the Atom's (Al Pratt) atomic punch so Fire couldn't just burn them to death at microscopic/subatomic size.
That is the whole reason why I posted this here rather than the Vine, Supreme Marvel. Too many TOAAs and Presences get thrown around there.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 8, 2012 19:52:31 GMT -5
I don't see how Citizen Steel survives, only his exterior is steel, his interior is still made of squishy bits that get destroyed. No. Nathaniel Heywood's interior is organic steel as well. The steel also covers his nervous system so you wouldn't be able to hurt him. Or even knock him down. If you were to try and damage it with physical means, your characters would probably break a limb. A downside is that he wouldn't know someone was touching him. The smallest I've seen him change is an amoeba size animal. But that would be unimportant and easier for Atom. How about a blue whale? Once inside how will they know what's what? BB knowns Atom so he could constantly change. Atoms move at an accelerated rate when producing fire. So atoms would be moving back and forth and possible injure Atom. That may have been something the writer of Firestorm may not have known. Also, how will Nightcrawler and the other guy know what my team can do? They're Marvel characters. Only Atom would know and he wouldn't sit around and explain everything they can do. Same goes for what he can do to them. While all of my team has, on an occasion or two, worked together. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 8, 2012 21:29:40 GMT -5
Are you sure about that for Citizen Steel? I suppose if that were true then the Atom would have to go to Subatomic size and simply transmute his brain into normal atoms. The Atom has converted part of Superman into kryptonite while inside Superman.
BB can change as much as he wants but once they are inside him, it won't matter.
Again, for whatever reason, when at shrunken size, the Atom is practically immune to heat. It may be because he is small enough to dodge the atoms.
At subatomic scale, none of your team can detect or effect my team leaving them more than enough time to talk things out.
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 8, 2012 22:00:21 GMT -5
That's correct for steel. There's also the fact that he completely regenerates. When he got his power he was a cripple who'd been amputated ( both legs) they grew back. However there is no way he's " street level " in any way. He was strong enough that when he removed his uniform ( which is designed to restrain his strength) he knocked Gog down. That was a feat E22's Superman couldn't do. Hardly a street leveler. The reason they have to restrain his strength is that he has no feeling because his nerves are organic steel and cant tell the difference in his strength. His suit is made from the alloy used to keep space craft from burning up on re-entry. It's blast furnaced onto him.
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Post by jakefury on Mar 8, 2012 22:03:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Citizen Steel was an absolute beast in JSA.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 9, 2012 5:10:55 GMT -5
Street levels, damn. Forgot that when I began writing.
I'll have another think.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 9, 2012 5:13:08 GMT -5
Leech, Deadshot and Bullseye.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 9, 2012 14:37:27 GMT -5
How would Leech be convinced to work with two trained assassins? Leech may refuse to work with them.
Barring that, his power negation only works on actual powers not technology as he is virtually useless against Sentinels. The Atom's powers are technology and his natural heroic tendencies will force him to save both Nightcrawler and Mr. Negative by shrinking them down to microscopic levels. At that point, they become immune to the bullets of Lester and Floyd. Do we know if Leech's powers work on shrunken individuals?
All in all, a clever team who could possibly do it.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 9, 2012 15:36:10 GMT -5
It is either death or work with the assassins. So he chooses to work for them. I would assume. It's the most logical decision. Since they have no real power for him to take away.
No, I don't believe it does work on technology however I do know that if a person with a meta/mutant gene gets within 10 yards of him they loose their power. So if they use your tactics, when they reach 10 yards of my team they will be 10 yards away and at the atomic level or subatomic level. Which is like forever distance from them at that level.
Since I only know basic information on Mr. Negative. What are the people like when they are no longer under his power? Do they know what he is doing to them? Or is it when they regain themselves they do not know what has happened?
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Post by Beatboks on Mar 9, 2012 22:36:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Citizen Steel was an absolute beast in JSA. Yeah in that same ark Gog was able to caste every other hero present around like chaff in the wind ( E22 superman, powergirl, Alan scot included) but couldn't even move Nathan. He was portrayed as a Juggernaught type character ( though obviously not to infinite levels) Immovable, unstoppable, as strong as required. Bit of overkill IMO. |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Mar 10, 2012 8:00:02 GMT -5
I loved that arc. I enjoyed all of Johns' run on JSA. I remember when trying to move him he questioned why he wouldn't move and Nathan was like 'It's what I do'.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Mar 10, 2012 12:31:52 GMT -5
My team
AoA Blink under control of David Richards
Classic Rogue(No powers except her own)
Vlad Plasmius
I think my team wins.
Pretty much you cant do anything to Rogue or Vlad and Blink can take Mr Negative down relitively quickly giving your team their morals back
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 10, 2012 17:36:00 GMT -5
Why can't they kill Rogue? Classic Rogue needed skin on skin contact which she won't get from inside her own brain. Also, my team is covered on all but their heads and Mr. Negative's hands which will be covered in his negative Energy and Nightcrawler's tail but he knows Rogue well enough to avoid touching his tail to any part of here.
Blink won't be of much use here since she is nowhere near as a fast a teleporter as Nightcrawler. Mr. Negative will be too tiny for Blink to hit anyways.
Vlad Plasmius is an interesting choice but he is essentially a magic user as Ghosts are magic.
I read Thy Kingdom Come awhile ago but I remember it as a pretty good story. One of the better JSA ones I have read.
@beatboks, do you have an opinion on the topic?
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