Doctor Fate's telepathic resistance

[CitizenBane]

So I was collecting scans for a Martian Manhunter respect thread, and in the old Justice League series there's an incident where a sorcerer called the Gray Man takes control of Dr. Fate until J'onn's telepathy manages to release him from the hold. I don't know as much about Fate as I'd like to and I want to put this into perspective: what is Fate's standard telepathic capability like? I know Glorious Godfrey's mind was annihilated just by putting on the Helm of Nabu, but at the same time I've seen Alan Scott w/the Starheart take control of Fate without a problem.

[creator]

From what I remember Fates mind is very strong hence he is difficult to control or even read. I have seen him resist mental probes. Beatboks is the best person to answer this question.

[Beatboks]

To standard TP Fate has strong resistance. this is due not so much to actual mental power but the duality of the mind. For example when classic Fate donned the helm the Essence of Nabu resided within the host as well as the host. Nabu's mind is very strong obviously. I vaguely recal one instance when the essence was overcome and Kent himself was in control as a result ( I'd have to hunt it up). Even classic Fate has been affected by the TP of Brainwave so he's definitely not immune. Other versions like the Straus Fate were two beings merged but they could each act as Fate alone as well. The Inza Fate being alone with no possession would not be as resistent. neither would Kent V ( just prior to nu52 and the one that Alan possessed). They Gray man incident was the end of Classic Fate and really TP the. shouldn't have been an issue ( classic Fate during half helmet years without magic was shown to use TP a few times in more Fun Comics), but the Gray man was also a being who gathered the energy of souls from their dreams. he was litterally a source of Power for all the Lords of order ( which includes Fate) him acting against fate would have meant his power overall was at a lower level. in effect Gray man would have had some of Fate's power to wield against him. added to which i would say it was more of a possession of the soul than the mind. ..... hope that helps ( cause I feel like i just made the whole thing more complex)

[Beatboks]

A correction to the above statement.

It wasn't Brainwave's TP that actually affected Classic Fate but his image projections. In BW's original GA appearances he was first shown to project "realistic" thought images that he the JSA interacted with in #15. These images committed crimes on his behalf, carried away the loot and even killed. It was the half helmet Fate at the time without Nabu and no magic who fought hoods who were then taken away by mental projections of BW of the police. Fate followed only to watch the police and disappear before his eyes along with the police car and sirens.

The Later appearances in the GA BW didn't use his mental power only his gadgets and devices/inventions against the JSA like his Brain drain device (all were still the half helmet Fate)

In the 70's revival (All star 58/9), classic fate along with all the rest of the JSA and the world were fooled by BW's mental projections of huge natural disasters. He and Alan deal with a major gas disaster that they know isn't natural. BW supposedly created some disasters with his projections while predicted others with his equipment. I always assumed the non natural disasters were the projectiosn as it would have been much easier to predict volcano eruptions etc. That was the Full helmet classic Fate with all powers

In the 80's All Star Squadron appearance (which was retconned as Brain Waves new debut appearance), was the first time we actually saw telepathic power from BW when he mental placed suggestions in the minds of the JSAers (including Spectre).

I guess the question is more whether the projections of BW were actually TP rather than just images. The fact that Alan was overcome with the gas, that people were killed by the bullets of the projected criminals (whose bullet wholes would disappear just like the hoods) would imply yes but the other aspects of BW of those era was no.

BW was the only instances I can recall of Classic Fate ever being susceptible to anyhting remotely like TP. As Creator said most other instances he was resistant to.