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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 8, 2011 0:52:53 GMT -5
Well I assume all the other dudes coming to work with their own mammoths would have something to say about it. But then you could actually have a mammoth duel over who would get the parking space. You can't do that shit with a car. EVEN MORE REASON TO CLONE MAMMOTHS!  But that thing would suck to wash when it gets dirty. |
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Post by cm24 on Dec 8, 2011 3:43:48 GMT -5
lol I am not saying not to do it, it is just that they could help animals that are on the brink of extinction instead of resurrecting a species that is extinct for the past few thousand years. But still it's cool.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 8, 2011 5:01:04 GMT -5
Animals on the brink of extinction don't need cloning to be saved.
Besides, cloning cannot help expand genetic diversity. If a species population falls beneath a certain point (IIRC something like 500 individuals), they're doomed to death by inbreeding either way. Likewise we'll never get a viable mammoth population out of this project. The goal is simply to study the living animal rather than just gather scrapes of information from its bones.
Also because why the hell not?!
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Post by cm24 on Dec 8, 2011 6:41:47 GMT -5
Also because why the hell not?! Because I said so  |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 9, 2011 0:25:43 GMT -5
Animals on the brink of extinction don't need cloning to be saved. Besides, cloning cannot help expand genetic diversity. If a species population falls beneath a certain point (IIRC something like 500 individuals), they're doomed to death by inbreeding either way. Likewise we'll never get a viable mammoth population out of this project. The goal is simply to study the living animal rather than just gather scrapes of information from its bones. Also because why the hell not?! We do have the ability to manipulate genetics now. If someone were willing to spend several billion dollars, cheetahs (which are believed to have been reduced down to a single litter of cubs at their lowest point) would not only thrive again with a plethora of genetic diversity, they could be as much of a problem as house cat overpopulation. |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 9, 2011 0:27:00 GMT -5
I would like my clones to unlock the secrets of the superman. Sign me up.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 9, 2011 0:45:38 GMT -5
I would like my clones to unlock the secrets of the superman. Sign me up. Co-signed. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 9, 2011 5:24:40 GMT -5
We do have the ability to manipulate genetics now. If someone were willing to spend several billion dollars, cheetahs (which are believed to have been reduced down to a single litter of cubs at their lowest point) would not only thrive again with a plethora of genetic diversity, they could be as much of a problem as house cat overpopulation. This is news to me. I mean I know we can tailor some retroviruses to target a specific gene here or there, but scrambling genes so as to introduce genetic diversity? Fuck no, first time I hear of it. |
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Post by cm24 on Dec 9, 2011 5:50:21 GMT -5
See now Mr. cloning-cannot-help-expand-genetic-diversity?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 9, 2011 8:10:00 GMT -5
Well if you want to be technical, my point still stands. Even if you could manipulate genetics to the point of increasing genetic diversity, it's still easier and makes far more sense to do it with normal animals rather than clones. A cloned zygote cell still needs to be implanted and given birth ti by a living female, during which time she could have carried a normal baby you could have genetically tinkered with. Cloning simply has no application in sustaining a viable population.
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Post by cm24 on Dec 9, 2011 8:11:42 GMT -5
Gee, we can't even joke around here
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 9, 2011 9:20:54 GMT -5
No. Joking is a permaban offense. As is snarking, teasing, arguing, debating, lurking, lollygagging, derailing, loling, lmaoing, typing with your left hand, posting pictures, writing in color, writing without color, chewing, sleeping, flying, running with scissors, eating oranges, cooking, scrubbing, watching TV, banging a wall, driving with your pants down, keying a car, reading a book, burning a book, writing comics, reading comics, blinking, breathing, watching the stars, paragon interrupting, slaying dragons, looking for droids, drinking 8 years old single malt, liking Twilight, burning CDs, cleaning your keyboard, browsing the web, fapping to porn, making offers you can't refuse, exploiting natives, summoning spirits, building powerstations, breaking dams, hurling foxes, kissing tigers, swimming in the Thames, nuking Japan, building orphanages, raping priests, gritting your teeth, captaining the Enterprise, giving excuses when lord Vader wants that ship, sensing a disturbance, exploring tunnels, scaring bats, tipping cows, planting crops, teasing zombies, figuring out the ninth chevron, eating planets, sending your kids to another planet, mauling your dog, petting a rhino, giving Bjork a banana, Kicking Obama, saying I told you so, hacking facebook, fucking donkeys, combing your hair, sitting on your glasses, smoking a pipe, resurrecting King James, shanking your fiancee, blowing a pokemon, swallowing your gum, talking to Hitler, making fun of hobbits, telling a lie, killing time, winning medals, punching a tree, groping your horse, doing your laundry, killing Wrex, drinking moondust, listening to Littlefinger, walking into Mordor, asking Hellboy about his fapping arm, punting chiuahuas, riding a bike, choking a bitch, drinking pepsi, worshiping chaos, going super saiyan, yelling OH YEAH!, jumping from your chair, squashing mice, kissing ants, thinking Scarlet Witch is cool, Thinking Lex Luthor is not, cutting bread, fucking a socket, giving me your face, being a mage, salting your food, making fun of North Korea, selling Alan Moore your soul, praying to groundhogs, buying newspaper, jumping off a building, being the hero Gotham needs, liking me when I'm angry, trolling, Calling Gandalf Dumbledore, licking Danny DeVtto, tying your shoes, breaking Joker's bones, dry-humping whales, eating a burger with no ketchup, dipping fries into ice cream, marrying Darkseid, being silly, liking the Guardians, finding Megatron's erogenous zones, devalving euro, pushing up daisies, posting, committing genocide and all around living. Now please go stand in the corner and don't blink while a nearby moderator comes to hammer you down.  |
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Post by cm24 on Dec 9, 2011 9:26:07 GMT -5
Then I guess I am banned. It was nice knowing you guys. Goodbye
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Post by cm24 on Dec 9, 2011 9:30:33 GMT -5
How long did it take you to write all this? lol
Btw blowing a Pokemon? WTH?
And I actually don't think that Luthor is cool....
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 9, 2011 10:52:11 GMT -5
LMAO!!
.... aw, crap.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 9, 2011 10:55:49 GMT -5
How long did it take you to write all this? lol
Btw blowing a Pokemon? WTH?
And I actually don't think that Luthor is cool.... ...Half an hour? I don't know, once stuff started coming out of my brain it was hard to stop. That last one is a banable offense BTW. |
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Post by cm24 on Dec 9, 2011 11:00:52 GMT -5
You won't ban me.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 9, 2011 11:48:58 GMT -5
We do have the ability to manipulate genetics now. If someone were willing to spend several billion dollars, cheetahs (which are believed to have been reduced down to a single litter of cubs at their lowest point) would not only thrive again with a plethora of genetic diversity, they could be as much of a problem as house cat overpopulation. This is news to me. I mean I know we can tailor some retroviruses to target a specific gene here or there, but scrambling genes so as to introduce genetic diversity? Fuck no, first time I hear of it. They have been creating plant life resistant to harsh chemicals through genetic manipulation since the 80s and the first knockout mouse (genetic manipulation to cause a mutation) was created in 1989. Mice are usually the model mammal for genetic manipulation because they are cheap and easy to replace. But there is no reason why they could not move up to larger mammals up to and including humans. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 9, 2011 17:05:34 GMT -5
They have been creating plant life resistant to harsh chemicals through genetic manipulation since the 80s and the first knockout mouse (genetic manipulation to cause a mutation) was created in 1989. Mice are usually the model mammal for genetic manipulation because they are cheap and easy to replace. But there is no reason why they could not move up to larger mammals up to and including humans. I don't know man. I'm no biologist, but I figure there is quite a bit of difference between altering one or two genes in a one or two animals, and introducing genetic diversity in an entire species. |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 9, 2011 17:54:14 GMT -5
Altering an animals DNA is introducing genetic diversity. Doubly so when this genetic manipulation introduces a mutation. Mutation is genetic diversity. Just like red hair is a mutation and blue eyes and white skin etc etc etc.
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