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Post by NexusOfLight on Nov 14, 2010 2:27:14 GMT -5
Well, if you build your PC properly, then things like "Microsoft vs Mac" sorta become irrelevant because neither of them are building your PC anymore.
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Post by greenlantern555 on Nov 14, 2010 12:43:25 GMT -5
How about better resolution, no viruses, better editing software, lasts longer, more durable, faster, etc... none of these are true if you actually build your pc properly, it's just bullshit MAC worshippers spew all the time. But the fact is, all of those are true. And another problem is, most of the time "you" are not the one who builds your PC so you are force to use a crappy computer (compared to Mac).
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Post by Dane on Nov 14, 2010 12:54:00 GMT -5
As a point of interest I actually compared builds yesterday.
I could put together a PC that is 8x faster and more powerful than the current gen macbook pros for under half the price. I'm sure this fact wouldn't deter any die hard mac fan but I honestly don't care who you throw your cash at as it is. As far as 'no viruses' and 'better software' goes, there is really nothing to stop anyone from installing mac osx onto a PC. It's called a Hackintosh.
I was building computers when I was 12-14 so it really isn't a difficult thing to do. Strangely enough hardware comes with these 'instruction manuals' which more or less tell you exactly what to do.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 13:03:51 GMT -5
As a point of interest I actually compared builds yesterday. I could put together a PC that is 8x faster and more powerful than the current gen macbook pros for under half the price. I'm sure this fact wouldn't deter any die hard mac fan but I honestly don't care who you throw your cash at as it is. As far as 'no viruses' and 'better software' goes, there is really nothing to stop anyone from installing mac osx onto a PC. It's called a Hackintosh. I was building computers when I was 12-14 so it really isn't a difficult thing to do. Strangely enough hardware comes with these 'instruction manuals' which more or less tell you exactly what to do. You get the same price difference when building your own PC compared to a market PC like Gateway, Dell or whatever. Building at home makes a huge difference in price. I used to do it as well. As far as one users claim that Macs are shitty, I wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, Macs and PCs are pretty similar when you get right down to it. The only huge difference is the operating system. I grew up with PCs just like you have Dane. I made the switch over to Macs simply because of aesthetic purposes. I think they are beautiful pieces of technology. Then there is also the simplicity of the interface in OS (which as you pointed out, can be put on a PC anyway). But if we compare benchmarks and all that, we do have differences in comparable product. Here is a comparison done last year on similar products: www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/tests/4258725Macs did have better numbers.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 13:07:36 GMT -5
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Post by greenlantern555 on Nov 14, 2010 13:19:45 GMT -5
This is all ONLY if you build it yourself. i personally am unable to do so and so are most people. When talking about stock, Macs are better.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 17:09:02 GMT -5
This is all ONLY if you build it yourself. i personally am unable to do so and so are most people. When talking about stock, Macs are better. no, because the stock computer is not the one you buy off the rack. Anyone can get a proper PC built by a professional that will eat any MAC for breakfast. MAC aren't better at all, it's just the most people don't know jack about computers and MACS are a lot more idiot proof And as a parting shot. Here's something my uncle who is a computer programmer once said. "You buy a MAC to wank off about how awesome it is to have a MAC You buy a PC to get shit fucking done and then move on to something else"
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 17:23:04 GMT -5
@crom:
See my links above. 'Haters gonna hate' but the facts are solid.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 17:25:58 GMT -5
@crom: See my links above. 'Haters gonna hate' but the facts are solid. I fail to see the point of those links and how they actually prove me wrong. Since those links are using the same fraudulent arguments that lead to MAC wanking in the first place.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 17:28:52 GMT -5
@crom: See my links above. 'Haters gonna hate' but the facts are solid. I fail to see the point of those links and how they actually prove me wrong. Since those links are using the same fraudulent arguments that lead to MAC wanking in the first place. Did you actually follow the links and read them? If they were really 'fan-wanking' like you say, the numbers would have been much more one-sided.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 17:29:16 GMT -5
I also doubt that Popular Mechanics is a Mac fan-wanker.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 17:41:22 GMT -5
Did you actually follow the links and read them? If they were really 'fan-wanking' like you say, the numbers would have been much more one-sided. the reason I question these links is that upon reading them it fall into comments about weight, look etc. Upon which after reading the entire thing. I felt a subtle undercurrent of MAC wanking. Thing is, popular mechanics and many magazines profit from their commentary on certain items and even the writers there have preferences of their own that may color their judgment. Admittedly the article wasn't completely one sided and as far as general analysis went, you could go far worser, But still... this article has not come close to showing that I am wrong.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 17:46:46 GMT -5
Did you actually follow the links and read them? If they were really 'fan-wanking' like you say, the numbers would have been much more one-sided. the reason I question these links is that upon reading them it fall into comments about weight, look etc. Upon which after reading the entire thing. I felt a subtle undercurrent of MAC wanking. Thing is, popular mechanics and many magazines profit from their commentary on certain items and even the writers there have preferences of their own that may color their judgment. Admittedly the article wasn't completely one sided and as far as general analysis went, you could go far worser, But still... this article has not come close to showing that I am wrong. No article will be able to convince you unless it was an article that completely shuts down Mac. I do not understand why you have such a clear hate for the products produced by Mac because when you get right down to it, they are very comparable to PCs. They just are more user friendly or in your words 'idiot proof', they are cheaper when comparing them to other market PCs, and they look nicer (admittedly, the last part is a matter of opinion).
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Post by greenlantern555 on Nov 14, 2010 18:02:46 GMT -5
This is all ONLY if you build it yourself. i personally am unable to do so and so are most people. When talking about stock, Macs are better. no, because the stock computer is not the one you buy off the rack. Anyone can get a proper PC built by a professional that will eat any MAC for breakfast. MAC aren't better at all, it's just the most people don't know jack about computers and MACS are a lot more idiot proof And as a parting shot. Here's something my uncle who is a computer programmer once said. "You buy a MAC to wank off about how awesome it is to have a MAC You buy a PC to get shit flarking done and then move on to something else" Tell me how PCs are better.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 18:10:50 GMT -5
No article will be able to convince you unless it was an article that completely shuts down Mac. I do not understand why you have such a clear hate for the products produced by Mac because when you get right down to it, they are very comparable to PCs. They just are more user friendly or in your words 'idiot proof', they are cheaper when comparing them to other market PCs, and they look nicer (admittedly, the last part is a matter of opinion). As I've highlighted these things you argue here only happen if you don't put the appropriate amount of effort into your PC. Built it from the ground up and you can easily create a PC that will do just as good if not better then a MAC. And as to costs, it will be mostly the same. And you benefit from better accessibility. Show me definite proof that if I put the best effort in building a PC or a MAC that the MAC will clearly be better, then I'll be convinced. So far none have succeeded in doing so. @highball: They do everything I need them to, they are a lot more comfortable to use and their company owner isn't a big a jackass.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 18:16:37 GMT -5
No article will be able to convince you unless it was an article that completely shuts down Mac. I do not understand why you have such a clear hate for the products produced by Mac because when you get right down to it, they are very comparable to PCs. They just are more user friendly or in your words 'idiot proof', they are cheaper when comparing them to other market PCs, and they look nicer (admittedly, the last part is a matter of opinion). As I've highlighted these things you argue here only happen if you don't put the appropriate amount of effort into your PC. Built it from the ground up and you can easily create a PC that will do just as good if not better then a MAC. And as to costs, it will be mostly the same. And you benefit from better accessibility. Show me definite proof that if I put the best effort in building a PC or a MAC that the MAC will clearly be better, then I'll be convinced. So far none have succeeded in doing so. @highball: They do everything I need them to, they are a lot more comfortable to use and their company owner isn't a big a jackass. That is your whole problem right there. You are talking about home built PCs. You might as well consider them an entirely different animal to name brand PCs. That is not really a fair comparison in any way at all. If you build your PC at home, you are guaranteed to get parts for a lower price. You also get them at an equally lower price to any market PC. The same thing goes into any possible variable you can consider. Compare market PCs to Macs. Otherwise you are arguing for nothing at all.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 18:23:43 GMT -5
That is your whole problem right there. You are talking about home built PCs. You might as well consider them an entirely different animal to name brand PCs. That is not really a fair comparison in any way at all. If you build your PC at home, you are guaranteed to get parts for a lower price. You also get them at an equally lower price to any market PC. The same thing goes into any possible variable you can consider. Compare market PCs to Macs. Otherwise you are arguing for nothing at all. It's still a PC, runs windows, uses PC products/parts/components albeit ones I choose. Follows a PC format. Therefore it's a PC, albeit one I built according to exactly my needs. My point stands. You should always build your computer from scratch be it a PC or a MAC anyway. What you get off the store is just a functional skeleton for with the bases for the most basic and simple computer functions.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 18:31:25 GMT -5
That is your whole problem right there. You are talking about home built PCs. You might as well consider them an entirely different animal to name brand PCs. That is not really a fair comparison in any way at all. If you build your PC at home, you are guaranteed to get parts for a lower price. You also get them at an equally lower price to any market PC. The same thing goes into any possible variable you can consider. Compare market PCs to Macs. Otherwise you are arguing for nothing at all. It's still a PC, runs windows, uses PC products/parts/components albeit ones I choose. Follows a PC format. Therefore it's a PC, albeit one I built according to exactly my needs. My point stands. You should always build your PC from scratch be it a PC or a MAC anyway. What you get off the store is just a functional skeleton for with the bases for the most basic and simple computer functions. So what? A PC can be made to run OS. Does that make it a Mac? Of course not. You are selecting to only consider what benefits your argument and disregarding everything else. A Mac can be modded out just like your at home PC if someone wanted to put in the time and effort that at home PC builders do.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 18:35:37 GMT -5
So what? A PC can be made to run OS. Does that make it a Mac? Of course not. You are selecting to only consider what benefits your argument and disregarding everything else. A Mac can be modded out just like your at home PC if someone wanted to put in the time and effort that at home PC builders do. Right and if such a modded MAC is made is it objectively better in every way to a modded out PC. No it isn't, therefore you can't say MAC is better because when both are given the same treatment, the MACs don't come out on top If you build a PC from scratch, you're still building a PC. Same can be said if you modded a MAC. And yet MAC fans are still arguing that their preferred computer is objectively better when evidence shows that when equal effort is put into both, that statement doesn't pan out at all.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 18:38:25 GMT -5
So what? A PC can be made to run OS. Does that make it a Mac? Of course not. You are selecting to only consider what benefits your argument and disregarding everything else. A Mac can be modded out just like your at home PC if someone wanted to put in the time and effort that at home PC builders do. Right and if such a modded MAC is made is it objectively better in every way to a modded out PC. No it isn't, therefore you can't say MAC is better because when both are given the same treatment, the MACs don't come out on top If you build a PC from scratch, you're still building a PC. Same can be said if you modded a MAC. And yet MAC fans are still arguing that their preferred computer is objectively better when evidence shows that when equal effort is put into both, that statement doesn't pan out at all. No. I never said that. I compared shelf product to shelf product. There is no evidence that a modded out PC is better than a modded out Mac either. That is why shelf comparisons are better. Because they are set hardware that give consistent comparisons. You start modding your computers out and it stops being a contest of PC vs Mac and instead becomes a You vs another builder.
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