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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 5, 2011 0:40:33 GMT -5
I won't try to deny that I am a dork and as such I spend a lot of time as you likely do analyzing the characters of those comics we all seem to love so much. As such, I have many alternate interpretations of characters.
For example, I believe that ruby quartz does absolutely nothing to stop Cyclops' eye beams from destroying everything he looks at. Emma has told us that there is nothing but his own neurosis keeping him from controlling his powers. So I think that because he thinks that the ruby quartz works, it does work.
Does anyone else do this or am I crazy? Well, I am crazy so no need to answer that. Post yours if you have them! Or just discuss them.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 5, 2011 0:44:28 GMT -5
I thought it had been stated that Scott's inability to control his blasts is a result of brain damage from hitting the ground when he and Alex jumped out of that plane. I really don't think it could be a result of Scott's neurosis, for two reasons. 1) It seems like Xavier would have brought that up at least once during the time that he was training Scott. Xavier is all about training mutants to control their powers, whether they think they can control them or not. 2) Inability to control a controllable power is usually something that happens to inexperienced and frightened kids. Scott has been the leader of the X-Men since he was a teenager, and is currently the unoffical leader of the entire mutant race. He is a very strong, confident, and "in control" kind of guy. If he had the kind of powers that could be controlled, he would have done that years ago. Plus, it was Emma who said that, and she's just a deceptve witch who shouldn't be trusted (I hate her, if you can't tell).
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 5, 2011 0:49:59 GMT -5
I probably have some alternate character interpretations of my own. I just can't think of any right off the bat.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 5, 2011 1:09:19 GMT -5
Ooh, ooh, I got one. I think Moon Knight's crazy. Yeah, yeah, call me crazy, think of me however you want, but I think it's true. I also think that he's so crazy, that Khonshu is a figment of his imagination entirely. It may not have been that way in the beginning, like when he actually had his 2 ton strength, but in recent years, he's all loony all the time. I could totally see a writer go along with that idea, too. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Bendis would be the one to take him in that direction, too. Wow, if that went through, he'd have DID and schizophrenia.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 5, 2011 1:16:18 GMT -5
Xavier was all about finding simple solutions to complex problems, rather than try to defend Hank McCoy he just simply mind wiped people. Xavier could be the person who put the suggestion in his head. I like this idea because it means that his desire to be in control is so ridiculous that he invented a concept that makes no sense. Some supporting evidence I would pose is that his beams have been shown to be nearly omnidirectional yet he can wear non-all encompassing sunglasses not completely composed of ruby quartz without oozing destruction.
Though I enjoy a good debate, this thread is primarily for posting your own alternate character interpretations.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 5, 2011 16:00:43 GMT -5
I thought it had been stated that Scott's inability to control his blasts is a result of brain damage from hitting the ground when he and Alex jumped out of that plane. I really don't think it could be a result of Scott's neurosis, for two reasons. 1) It seems like Xavier would have brought that up at least once during the time that he was training Scott. Xavier is all about training mutants to control their powers, whether they think they can control them or not. 2) Inability to control a controllable power is usually something that happens to inexperienced and frightened kids. Scott has been the leader of the X-Men since he was a teenager, and is currently the unoffical leader of the entire mutant race. He is a very strong, confident, and "in control" kind of guy. If he had the kind of powers that could be controlled, he would have done that years ago. Plus, it was Emma who said that, and she's just a deceptve witch who shouldn't be trusted (I hate her, if you can't tell). Read the Astonishing X-Men by Whedon. There it is revealed that Cyclops suppressed the real reason why he cannot control his powers and that the head injury is just an excuse.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 5, 2011 18:34:35 GMT -5
That is the very comic that gave me the idea for my alternate character interpretation.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 5, 2011 18:37:22 GMT -5
That is the very comic that gave me the idea for my alternate character interpretation. Astonishing is by far, my favorite side of Cyclops.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 5, 2011 18:44:21 GMT -5
Whedon is one of the better X-men writers, they need to get him back so they can fix Cyclops.
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Post by Admin on Jan 5, 2011 18:50:02 GMT -5
Whedon is one of the better X-men writers, they need to get him back so they can fix Cyclops. He'd also fix Beast... But absolutely ruin Wolverine (but he'd be hilarious). That said, I agree his run on Astonishing X-Men was excellent.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 5, 2011 19:13:58 GMT -5
Xavier was all about finding simple solutions to complex problems, rather than try to defend Hank McCoy he just simply mind wiped people. Xavier could be the person who put the suggestion in his head. I like this idea because it means that his desire to be in control is so ridiculous that he invented a concept that makes no sense. Some supporting evidence I would pose is that his beams have been shown to be nearly omnidirectional yet he can wear non-all encompassing sunglasses not completely composed of ruby quartz without oozing destruction. Though I enjoy a good debate, this thread is primarily for posting your own alternate character interpretations. Actually, I like you opinion more now that you've implied Xavier might be a manipulative b**tard. I kinda hate Xavier.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 5, 2011 19:14:34 GMT -5
That is the very comic that gave me the idea for my alternate character interpretation. Astonishing is by far, my favorite side of Cyclops. Same.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 5, 2011 19:20:13 GMT -5
Actually, my reply to Dedman just reminded me of one of my alternate character interpretations. I think Charles Xavier is an incredibly selfish and irresponsible son of a b**ch. I made a rather extensive blog post on this topic on CV. I'll just copy/paste it here.
Even though Cyclops now has full leadership of the X-Men, and Charles is obsolete, Charles Xavier is still generally thought of the wise, benevolent leader of the X-Men. Why? I have no idea. He's completely sick. Let me list off a few reasons for you... 1. He never gives a flying crap when his students die. First, he put together the original team of X-Men. They went through a few roster changes, everything was cool. Then he sent the team to investigate Krakoa. Cyclops was the only one who returned. All the rest were, presumably, dead. So Xavier said, "Hmm. Now that my whole team of seasoned veterans has probably been killed by a mysterious adversary, I think I'll put together a smaller team of completely inexperienced teens, and send them to the same island." Then that whole team died too (well, two of them actually survived, but Xavier had every reason to believe they were all dead). Xavier thought, "Hmmm. A whole team of dead kids might besmirch my reputation. I'll just mindwipe everyone who knew they existed. Now, even though I still have no evidence at all that the original team is even alive, I'll make another team of mutants, and send them to the island! Maybe this team won't die or anything." With luck, this team actually managed to rescue the original team, to which Xavier said, "Yay! The original team is safe (screw the second team, nobody cares about them)! This totally justifies everything I've done up to this point!" Some time later on, the entire team (now a mix of the first and third teams, plus some new guys) got abducted by the Brood. Xavier fully believed they were all dead. So he said, "Crap! Now my whole team is dead! Now I have to put together another team of random kids and throw them into a war zone. I think I'll call this new team the New Mutants. I guess ''X-Men" is just unlucky or something. And just so I don't freak the kids out and make them want to leave, the information I give them about the original teams will be completely minimal." 2. Even if your mutant powers are totally useless, you still have to put on a uniform and be a superhero if you want to stay at his school. Case in point: Doug Ramsey. Doug had the ability to instantly understand languages. That power isn't worth a steaming pile of dog s#it in a fight against mutant terrorists and Sentinels. Doug was often even a hindrance to the rest of the team, since they constantly had to go out of their way to keep him from getting killed. But, nevertheless, Xavier had his rule: If you are a mutant who wants the sanctuary and protection of my super-secret school, then you are required to put on a stupid costume and constantly risk your life for my ideals. If you don't want to do that, then GTFO fool. And wasn't if just convenient for him that mutant powers so often manifest during puberty, when a kid is still very confused and easily impressionable about what they should do with their lives. Then when their powers manifest and their whole life suddenly goes to Hell in a handbasket, they are easy pickings for Xavier to find them, pretend to be a wise man with a safe school, then indoctrinate (see also: brainwash) them into believing in his personal ideals and worldview. 3. Xavier never even went into battle himself. I can just imagine the dialogue... DOUG RAMSEY: Professor Xavier, if you are so keen on making all of us risk our lives for your all-important ideals, then why don't you ever go out into the field with us? CHARLES XAVIER: Stupid question. I'm in a wheelchair, you moron. I'm totally useless in a fight. DOUG: Yeah, so am I. But you still make me fight... CHARLES: I am a helpless invalid!!! DOUG: You're one of the most powerful mutants on earth, and you don't even need your legs to use your powers. CHARLES: Shut up, kid! You expect me to fight in this stupid wheelchair?? DOUG: We have the tech to build one of the world's most advanced combat training centers in our basement. We have the tech to make a visor that completely stops Cyclops' eyebeams, one of the most powerful destructive forces on earth. We have the tech to make a suit that keeps Havok's powers in check. Beast used simple spare parts we had lying around to make a machine that overloaded Unus' force field. I'm sure that, if you actually tried, you could scrounge up the tech for a good battle-ready hoverchair. CHARLES: STFU, whelp!!!! (((***mindwiiiiiiiipe***))) This conversation never happened. Now go fight Magneto for me. 4. Juggernaut Xavier pretty much made Juggernaut the villian he would be for most of his life. He was a pompous little pr!ck when they were growing up. Cain was jealous of Charles for being favored by their father. And Charles, even when his telepathy developed and he could see into Cain's mind and sense his jealous hatred, did absolutely nothing to keep all bridges with his step-brother from being burned. 5. Legion Not much of a point to expand on here, but having an illegitimate son who wants to kill you isn't exactly a positive thing. 6. Danger Charles Xavier tried to lock away the existant of a senting being, for the sake of giving his precious X-Men a cooler training room. When Xavier first incorporated Shi'Ar technology into the Danger Room, he did not expect the tech to become self-aware. The being reached out to Xavier, asking, "Where am I"?. Xavier knew that the existance of a sentient force in the technology you put a real crimp in his plans to use the tech for the Danger Room. So he did his best to just 'shut away' the being so it wouldn't mess up his plans.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 5, 2011 22:32:54 GMT -5
Whedon is one of the better X-men writers, they need to get him back so they can fix Cyclops. there is no fixing Cyclops, he is a douchebag even death is too good for him. One alternate character interpretation I have is for Mr Fantastic. My take: Mr Fantastic is evil and takes pleasure in human suffering. Why here's 10 reasons just on the top of my head 1- He is the world's greatest scientist 2-He can build machines that can warp reality within hours and butt rape Galactus 3- His mastery of science extends to all disciplines. Even ones that would not actually work. 4-He has the tech, money and know how to mass produce these machines that can overcome any problem 5-Aids still exists in Marvel 6-Cancer still exists in Marvel 7-Hunger still exists in Marvel 8-The Energy Crisis is still rampant 9-The world is still rife with pollution and ecological entropy 10-Mental illness and physical handicaps still exist Mr. Fantastic is evil.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 6, 2011 0:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by Decoy Elite on Jan 6, 2011 1:44:15 GMT -5
I think Reed is more insane than Doom.
Think about what he spends his time making, lots of stuff that could be used in deadly ways. I say Reed at first was overcompensating for his shitty powers and now has just gone full out insane.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 6, 2011 1:46:26 GMT -5
that article was hilarious but I knew Reed was evil long before it came out.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 6, 2011 2:50:37 GMT -5
While you may say he is evil, I just thinks that he is apathetic. Think about it, he is the smartest man on earth and you think he hasn't come to the conclusion that humans are evil by default and as such we are not worth saving? So he does what anyone with that knowledge does, he lives life to the fullest by going on adventures, banging his hot wife, and generally screwing with reality. His life is pretty pimp if you ask me. Hell, he might even know it is a comic book!
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 6, 2011 2:59:02 GMT -5
Eh, I've considered it. But I prefer my interpretation that he is evil.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jan 6, 2011 3:05:31 GMT -5
Apathy can be evil?
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