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Post by Erik-El on May 14, 2011 23:08:34 GMT -5
I would never miss either.
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Post by Purrpura Bastette on May 15, 2011 0:49:16 GMT -5
I say it's your body, do whatever the hell you want with it so long as you do not cause direct, major harm to others. And I say direct and major because things like secondhand smoke are inevitable but easy to avoid. I have no problem with people smoking weed or cigarettes. Its outdoors, you can sit upwind if you don't want to breathe it in, or just don't associate yourself with those people in the first place. The only time I have a problem with smokers, regardless of whether it's weed or tobacco, is when it affects others. Like if a mother chain smokes in her cooped up house that she shares with her toddler. Or if people are trying to pressure others to smoke. Oddly enough, I've seen that happen more with cigarette smokers than weed smokers. Potheads are generally nice people (the whole hippie love thing) so they may offer a hit out of courtesy but won't pressure you into it if you decline. They usually have the whole "more for me" mentality when it comes to that. I believe that alcohol is far more of a mind-altering substance and that if it is legal, there's no reason for pot to be illegal. I feel that the benefits of legalizing pot outweigh the cons. I also believe that pot has greater benefits than alcohol, although both substances are impractical, and that it is also less detrimental to your health. I live in Southern California, which is obviously extremely liberal, and here practically everyone smokes weed. It's treated the same as alcohol. You have those you can't go a few hours without smoking it and you have those who only smoke on weekends or at parties. Like Highball said, those dumbasses who come to work baked beyond belief to the point where they can't function properly, that's on them. The weed didn't make them do it. They chose to do it. There are people who can smoke weed regularly and still lead successful, high-functioning lives. My Father is a prime example, he's the top Architect at his firm, and he smokes (weed) every evening in his bathroom when he comes home then has a glass of wine. He made enough money while I was growing up to support and spoil our family of four with my mother not needing to work. Idk I'm trailing off here but like I said it's your body, do what you want, but I do believe in moderation. Those fools who are constantly getting baked are really only harming themselves. They're allowing their lives to be governed by the ritual of smoking. But I suppose with any particular group, there will always be those few idiots who give the rest of said group a bad name. Really, if we want to solve any problems what we should be making illegal is stupidity... just kidding.
Or am I?
Naw, I'm kidding, intelligence is relative.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 15, 2011 7:19:03 GMT -5
I would never miss either. you have officially admitted to having no soul.
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Post by Erik-El on May 15, 2011 10:50:41 GMT -5
I would never miss either. you have officially admitted to having no soul. Oh if anyone would have asked, I would have admitted as much a long time ago. In fact, the idea that everyone is deprived of their drug of choice gives me a warm feeling all over. Like being wrapped up in a nice snuggly blanket. A blanket made from everyone's joy.
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Post by Erik-El on May 15, 2011 10:54:38 GMT -5
I say it's your body, do whatever the hell you want with it so long as you do not cause direct, major harm to others. And I say direct and major because things like secondhand smoke are inevitable but easy to avoid. I have no problem with people smoking weed or cigarettes. Its outdoors, you can sit upwind if you don't want to breathe it in, or just don't associate yourself with those people in the first place. The only time I have a problem with smokers, regardless of whether it's weed or tobacco, is when it affects others. Like if a mother chain smokes in her cooped up house that she shares with her toddler. Or if people are trying to pressure others to smoke. Oddly enough, I've seen that happen more with cigarette smokers than weed smokers. Potheads are generally nice people (the whole hippie love thing) so they may offer a hit out of courtesy but won't pressure you into it if you decline. They usually have the whole "more for me" mentality when it comes to that. I believe that alcohol is far more of a mind-altering substance and that if it is legal, there's no reason for pot to be illegal. I feel that the benefits of legalizing pot outweigh the cons. I also believe that pot has greater benefits than alcohol, although both substances are impractical, and that it is also less detrimental to your health. I live in Southern California, which is obviously extremely liberal, and here practically everyone smokes weed. It's treated the same as alcohol. You have those you can't go a few hours without smoking it and you have those who only smoke on weekends or at parties. Like Highball said, those dumbasses who come to work baked beyond belief to the point where they can't function properly, that's on them. The weed didn't make them do it. They chose to do it. There are people who can smoke weed regularly and still lead successful, high-functioning lives. My Father is a prime example, he's the top Architect at his firm, and he smokes (weed) every evening in his bathroom when he comes home then has a glass of wine. He made enough money while I was growing up to support and spoil our family of four with my mother not needing to work. Idk I'm trailing off here but like I said it's your body, do what you want, but I do believe in moderation. Those fools who are constantly getting baked are really only harming themselves. They're allowing their lives to be governed by the ritual of smoking. But I suppose with any particular group, there will always be those few idiots who give the rest of said group a bad name. Really, if we want to solve any problems what we should be making illegal is stupidity... just kidding. Or am I? Naw, I'm kidding, intelligence is relative. I had a neighbor that would smoke on their porch and it would always get in my apartment. We had no smoking rules but the problem is I would have had to video document at least two occasions to have them enforced. You cannot always avoid 2nd hand. In fact, I think that many smokers are very inconsiderate of others just by smoking in places where others CAN be affected. Cigarettes are a foul smell, harmful effects aside.
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Post by greenlantern555 on May 15, 2011 15:08:29 GMT -5
I think the problem with Erik is that he has too big a soul ;-)
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 15, 2011 15:33:01 GMT -5
Personally, people complaining about second hand smoke just reminds me of the South Park episode on that.
I drink, I smoke, I eat, I fuck and I learn. Life is well.
It's all about moderation. As for other people, they should also learn some tolerance as much as smokers need to learn respect.
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Post by greenlantern555 on May 15, 2011 21:04:35 GMT -5
Why did you vow never to smoke, Crom?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 15, 2011 21:09:27 GMT -5
Why did you vow never to smoke, Crom? You mean Marijuana? I don't smoke weed because my brain is too precious to get itself tempered with by mood, perception and mind altering drugs. I drink alcohol for the taste and the smell, not to get drunk (have only been actually drunk once in my life) same with tobacco.
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Post by greenlantern555 on May 15, 2011 21:16:27 GMT -5
Fair enough. Do you judge others for doing it?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 15, 2011 21:20:30 GMT -5
Do you judge others for doing it? nah, as long as they aren't bothering me with it. I have no problems with people doing it. In this day and age, only a moron would not know the risks (just like alcohol and tobacco). If they still choose to do it. Then they just have to accept the consequences and as long as it doesn't burden or harm others. Then let them smoke away to their content. thought marijuana has the whole issue of organized crime. Which while a fascinating topic, is an actual real burden on society.
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Post by Erik-El on May 15, 2011 23:39:58 GMT -5
As for other people, they should also learn some tolerance as much as smokers need to learn respect. No way. When I smell cigarettes when I am eating at a restaurant (outside of course), I give them the same look I give to people that do not believe in deodorant. You are offending my senses motha fucka!
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Post by Akoot on May 16, 2011 5:13:25 GMT -5
I've seen some of the long-term psychological effects of cannabis abuse. Your brain is you, why would you want to ruin that?
Saying that, I think it would be acceptable to legalise it for the elderly, they aren't going to live long enough to see long-term effects, and apparently it's a nice treatment for arthritis.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 16, 2011 14:22:56 GMT -5
No way. When I smell cigarettes when I am eating at a restaurant (outside of course), I give them the same look I give to people that do not believe in deodorant. You are offending my senses motha fucka! And those looks are just as offensive to the people smoking who have the same right to be happy as you. You don't have to stand next to them or sit next to them at a restaurant. If you willingly sit within their space and then begrudge them for smoking them you're the one not being right.
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Post by Erik-El on May 16, 2011 19:50:56 GMT -5
No way. When I smell cigarettes when I am eating at a restaurant (outside of course), I give them the same look I give to people that do not believe in deodorant. You are offending my senses motha fucka! And those looks are just as offensive to the people smoking who have the same right to be happy as you. You don't have to stand next to them or sit next to them at a restaurant. If you willingly sit within their space and then begrudge them for smoking them you're the one not being right. Why do these people get to take up the entire restaurant patio while I have to get up and leave? Your logic is that I should just deal with it or push off? That seems like an opinion heavily in favor of smokers. What if I got there first? What if I want to enjoy my $50.00 steak without feeling like I am eating an ashtray? And even if I got there second, I still circle back to the question on why they require the entire patio for their space but my desire to have my one little table smoke-free is unreasonable?
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Post by Erik-El on May 16, 2011 19:55:40 GMT -5
I mean seriously. What would you do if someone walked up to your table and farted in your face as you were trying to eat? I am sure you would give a look at the very least. It is literally the same thing for me. My need to release gas is much more important than someone's need to light up at or near a restaurant or some other public place. Yet you would not allow me to release some shit-air on your food. Seems like a little double standard to me.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 16, 2011 20:00:42 GMT -5
Why do these people get to take up the entire restaurant patio while I have to get up and leave? I never said you have to leave. I'm saying those smokers have as much a right to be here as you. That's all, nothing is forcing you to leave and nothing is forcing you to stay. Your logic is that I should just deal with it or push off? No my argument is that as a non-smoker you have no right to more privilege then the smokers. And they have no right to more privilege then you. That seems like an opinion heavily in favor of smokers. I'm not in favor of one group getting more then another. I push for equality and that means respecting my desire, enjoyment and right to smoke. What if I got there first? Then sit in the non-smoking section, or find a spot with a breeze or something else like that. While the smokers, if they have any respect will sit in the smoking section or some place where their smoke will quickly dissipate. And even if I got there second, I still circle back to the question on why they require the entire patio for their space but my desire to have my one little table smoke-free is unreasonable? I never said or implied it is unreasonable. But respect works both ways. But an open space like a patio is a public place, you have no more right over it then the smoker. Therefore it behooves all parties that they act smart instead of bullheaded so that both can enjoy their time there
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Post by Erik-El on May 16, 2011 20:05:59 GMT -5
They can be there but they do not need to smoke there.
If there is smoke in my food, no enjoyment can be had from it. It has nothing to do with bullheaded. It is impolite and very inconsiderate to smoke in a public place.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 16, 2011 20:09:07 GMT -5
They can be there but they do not need to smoke there. And you don't need to be near them. It works both ways. It is impolite and very inconsiderate to smoke in a public place. I disagree because a public place is open to everyone and by trying to stop them from smoking you are imposing your will upon them and impeaching their rights. A public place is based on the principle that a person who doesn't want to be someplace doesn't have to be. And reflexively everyone exerts some tolerance and restraint.
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Post by Erik-El on May 16, 2011 20:15:08 GMT -5
You are missing the point because you responded with an invalid point. I am not saying that the smokers do not need to be there. I said they do not need to smoke there and that is very true. I come to a restaurant to eat a nice meal, I do not come to get shit blown into my lungs. That is no one's right to do either.
Everyone does include smokers but it does not mean they need to light up there. It is not that hard to even understand either. It is not an imposing of will to demand that I not be subjected to poisonous gas. I have no idea why you think otherwise. Actually I do know why you think otherwise. I get the same arguments from every smoker that thinks they have a right to light up in a public place.
So tell me, how would you feel if I came up to you in any public place and produced the most foul of farts. And not only that, but I kept you within smelling distance. I guarantee you would have a problem with that.
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