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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 16:08:15 GMT -5
Unless you've been living under a rock, you have likely heard a United States Navy SEALs team has shot and killed the infamous terrorist leader. To respect his religious rites, he was buried at sea shortly after his demise. Naturally, pictures were taken of him after he was shot twice (reports say once in the chest, once in an eye).
President Obama has decided not to release the images to the public. He states there is enough evidence to confirm it was indeed Bin Laden, and there is no reason to show the gruesome image of the deceased Bin Laden. But opponents are skeptical, saying there's no way to be 100% sure Osama is really dead without being provided with the pictures.
So, how do you guys feel on the matter? Do you support President Obama's decision to not release the pictures or do you disagree?
Personally, I think he made the right move. I don't see a reason to release an image with the Al-Qaeda leader with a hole right through his eye. Because seriously, why would they lie about something like this? Are people really that ridiculous to think THIS would be a ploy to distract from the birth certificate or a fake attempt at political brownie points? And even if he did release the picture, it's more than fair to assume the nay-sayers would then question virtually everything in the picture.
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Post by Morpheus on May 4, 2011 16:09:59 GMT -5
I live in a cave, does it count?
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 16:10:35 GMT -5
If anything, the topic on the news should be about Pakistan and how he was "hiding" so close to a military compound....Over the course of SIX YEARS, lol.
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 16:11:11 GMT -5
I live in a cave, does it count? You'd be happy to know I actually typed that first, went "Damn, Morph actually does!" and then switched it to under a rock. 100% honest.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on May 4, 2011 16:12:04 GMT -5
I dont see a reason to release the picture it seems immoral to me.Im still more curious on the overall story of what happened they seem to have changed the story several times.I cant find a reliable source but my main concern is did his family get killed with him?
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 4, 2011 16:12:14 GMT -5
People still believe the Moon landing was faked. I believe obama did the right thing, there was no need to publicize those pictures over the media. Let people believe what they are going to believe. No proof will ever sate a fanatic.
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Post by Morpheus on May 4, 2011 16:12:49 GMT -5
I live in a cave, does it count? You'd be happy to know I actually typed that first, went "Damn, Morph actually does!" and then switched it to under a rock. 100% honest. ;D Awesome.
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 16:13:56 GMT -5
I dont see a reason to release the picture it seems immoral to me.Im still more curious on the overall story of what happened they seem to have changed the story several times.I cant find a reliable source but my main concern is did his family get killed with him? It's my understanding that Osama was unarmed and with one of his wives at the time. The female was shot in the leg and of course detained.
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Post by Power NeXus on May 4, 2011 16:17:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine of Facebook wrote up a rather extensive 'conspiracy theory' sort of note a day or two ago. I am always skeptical of conspiracy theories, but some of the things he said are rather interesting. I'll paste it here just to get some discussion going.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 4, 2011 16:18:27 GMT -5
I love conspiracy theories....or debunking them rather.
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Post by Power NeXus on May 4, 2011 16:20:20 GMT -5
REMEMBER: NONE OF THIS IS MY WORK, NOR DOES IT NECESSARILY EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE OSAMA KILLING. A friend of mine wrote this on Facebook. I'm just sharing it here for the sake of discussion.
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In the wake of the news that Osama Bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALS, I looked beyond the sensational headlines and looked at the actual reports and story behind the story. Also, having researched this subject for years, quite a few things stood out and made me truly believe that this was a completely false operation that never took place. Here is the situation:
1. Osama Bin Laden was reported dead in December of 2001. Even the mainstream media (CNN/FOX/ABC etc) reported this! Witnesses attested to seeing his body and attending the funeral. The man was not young and on kidney dialysis. To think a man that old with that condition would still be alive running things 10 years later is absolutely unbelievable. In his "final video" he congratulated the men who carried out 9/11, but NEVER admitted to being the mastermind. That was never "proven" until they waterboarded the crap out of KSM hundreds of times. If you waterboard someone that many times, they will admit to being Santa Claus, just to get you to stop. This has been proven and is why torture is inadmissible in a court of law.
2. Osama was found to be living in a compound in a suburb. The man had the most recognizable face on the planet and stood six feet four inches. He towered above his kinsmen. A man like this COULD NOT go unnoticed, having supposedly lived there for years. His compound was 1000 feet away from a Pakistani military base. Neighborhood gossip would have given him away a LONG time ago, and SOMEONE would have turned him into us for the money. Greed would outweigh any other motives eventually. This does not make sense in the least.
3. Pakistan says they had no knowledge of this raid and are quite angry that we "invaded upon their sovereignty". Osama's compound was less than 1000 feet from a military base, and close to Islamabad, the capital. Do you really think that if 4 helicopters showed up in the middle of the night, 1000 feet from an Army base, that the Pakistani military would not respond, especially since they are claiming there was a 20 minute gun fight and explosions at the compound. The military would have ABSOLUTELY responded and probably wiped our SEALS out, seeing how their were only 40 of them at best. Another report that simply does not make sense.
4. One of the helicopters involved in the operation was "damaged" in the landing and had to be destroyed by the SEALS. Oh come on. These are expert pilots. To think that they would damage a helicopter so badly in landing that it would need to be destroyed is hogwash. It sounds more to me like a covering up of evidence for plausible deniability. Yet another report that doesn't make much sense.
5. Osama's compound, or at least the majority of it, is reported to have been burned and destroyed by the SEALS. What? No more evidence that can prove our government to be liars? How convenient. There was no good reason to do this. Makes no sense.
6. They afforded Osama bin Laden a proper Muslim burial at sea so that they would not enshrine him to other terrorists? This is the most offensive report of all. Not only, if true, would it be a huge slap in the face to all Americans, that we would afford him an ounce of respect where he showed none on 9/11, but it provides a great cover story as to why there is no body to prove it. People that died on 9/11 in the twin towers were reduced to tiny chunks of human flesh. To think some Marine would stand by solemnly and afford this monster a proper burial is laughable. What's more likely is that he was never killed in the first place and this is a cover story as to why there is no body. If you truly kill your enemy, you want to gloat over his body, not afford him respect. THIS, above ALL else, makes ZERO sense. We have done this with NO other Muslim terrorist in the world, EVER. To think we would do this with him is just ridiculous. If this was done on an Aircraft Carrier, like is reported, there should be many many witnesses stepping forward to say they were there.
7. The 3 wars we are in, with more on the horizon, are very unpopular right now. This administration's approval rating is crap. What a wonderful bit of providence that this would happen just now, especially when Isreali warplanes and Navy carriers are still massing in the mideast, preparing for God knows what. People broke out into celebration in the streets, chanting Obama's name, singing the Star Spangled Banner, and the Pledge of the Allegiance. To think that our corrupt politicians won't try to exploit this is, again, laughable. Of course they will.
8. All of the news outlets and politicians are reporting this story in a way that pulls on the emotions and heart strings of Americans rather than getting down to the cold, hard, nitty gritty of it. Your leaders really don't want you to question this. They want you to quietly comply, shut up, praise the US Military, and support more war, more debt, and more corruption in the name of the War on Terrorism, which is also laughable, because our "war" has spawned infinitely more terrorism and extremists in the region than were there before.
Think whatever you want of me. Call me some kooky conspiracy theorist, but keep in mind a couple things:
1. Some conspiracies are nutty. Some are true. Leaders DO conspire against their people for profit and private interests. War and banking are the greatest two instances you will ever find in history of a nation's leadership exploiting its people.
2. Hitler lied his way via conspiracy into war with Poland. Nero lied his way via conspiracy into tossing Christians into the colosseum with lions. Isreal's Mossad, which is the their version of the CIA, has a motto: "By way of deception we make war".
3. "All warfare is based upon deception." - Sun Tzu, the Art of War.
When you see a crack in a story, start to tear at it, and you will find the entire wall crumbles down. I am very sorry for you if the realization that evil people are attracted to power and they exploit you and I daily for profit and private interests is too much for you to handle and accept. You may now bury your head back in the sand.
As a human being, you have a brain that can think, reason, and apply logic. No other animal on the Earth has this capability. If you choose not to use it, that is your loss.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on May 4, 2011 16:20:38 GMT -5
Well like i said i heard a lot of storys.I believe the first released was that they bombed the place and everyone inside was killed. The main conspiracy theory i heard was that hes been dead and on ice for months and they released it now for the political points
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 4, 2011 16:22:44 GMT -5
Why would they get more political points now than when he was originally killed?
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on May 4, 2011 16:52:29 GMT -5
#1. Why wasn't a bigger deal made of it then? Had Osama Bin Laden died don't you think there would have been celebrating much the same as there was this week? #2-5. Overly vague. None of these are conclusive proof of anything. #6. So doing the honorable thing now makes the government sneaky? We held ourselves to a higher standard and didn't stoop to their level and in doing so preserved what we stand for. #7. Bush's administration had a poor approval rating as well. Had Bin Laden died in 2001 you don't think they would have capitalized on it for positive press? Just because things are going poorly doesn't mean you can't trust anything that is construed as positive. #8. That is how the mainstream media works. They sell every story emotionally moreso than cold hard facts.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 4, 2011 18:24:55 GMT -5
This is all ridiculous. Seriously face-palming.
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Post by Admin on May 4, 2011 18:27:30 GMT -5
This is all ridiculous. Seriously face-palming. I assume that's in regards to controversy over this?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 4, 2011 18:28:38 GMT -5
I assume that's in regards to controversy over this? yes, as well as the general situation. Both those arguing the controversy and those defending that his death is true
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Post by Erik-El on May 4, 2011 18:30:48 GMT -5
I think Obama made the right move as well. People do not need to see that shit. Why people feel the need to make a stink over this is beyond me. Birth certificate issue all over again.
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Post by Erik-El on May 4, 2011 18:36:46 GMT -5
@delta 855:
Your friend is crazy.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on May 4, 2011 18:41:01 GMT -5
People are morons. when the ants and cockroaches rise up we're doomed.
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