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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 29, 2010 16:24:10 GMT -5
You think God would mask his nature from them? Why? Who knows? No being could actually fanthom the mind of an omnipotent/omniscient all intelligent being. Perhaps it's all part of the plan. Perhaps because she knows it would ignite another war in Heaven. Who knows the reason is not important. The point is she could effortlessly. Especially since Elaine made a point of being a completely different sort of God than.... Well, God. She did have Radiant appear recently (that's the love/compassion equivalent to the Spectre right). Plus with her power she can do an infinite number of things without anyone noticing. Omnipotence has benefits. I think people would notice a shift in power at the highest level. Unless those levels wills it otherwise. That is all I'm pointing out. When dealing with omnipotence/omniscience you can't apply mortal logic.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 29, 2010 16:42:34 GMT -5
See, but that's us trying to find excuses and fill out plot holes. In comics, what you see is what you get, and we didn't get anyone in mainstream DC acknowledge that the events of Lucifer even happened. Let alone that they played out as they did. I understand your preference towards a clean cut story like that, but what I'm saying is you can't hold it higher than any other story in the mainstream canon which contradicts it.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 29, 2010 16:42:58 GMT -5
I always prefer it to be Tier 1: The Presence Tier 2: The Great Evil Beast/Elaine Belloc Tier 3: Michael Demiurgos/Lucifer Moringstar Tier 4: The Endless I usually put Elaine Belloc next to The Presence based on what's gone on, but that's not what I'd prefer to do. The best analogy of what I want meeting God would be is what Blue Beetle said in Countdown to Infinite Crisis (this instance, God being Superman and Blue Beetle being every single sentient being ever to exist). I'm an atheist, but I like the idea of that scale of power in comics.Does anyone get the feeling am trying to put across?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 29, 2010 16:58:42 GMT -5
See, but that's us trying to find excuses and fill out plot holes. In comics, what you see is what you get, and we didn't get anyone in mainstream DC acknowledge that the events of Lucifer even happened. Let alone that they played out as they did. I understand your preference towards a clean cut story like that, but what I'm saying is you can't hold it higher than any other story in the mainstream canon which contradicts it. true enough, but it's my personal preference. Lucifer is a great series @supreme marvel: Blue Beetle is awesome.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 29, 2010 17:17:28 GMT -5
Has the Anti-Life Equation arc been seen before? And what type of people doesn't it affect?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 29, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -5
@sm see what you're saying,, and I'd agree. Your list ommits several "Characters" which should be in the same ballpark, most notably, the Source and the OverMonitor. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just pointing out how royally screwed up DC's cosmology is. Anti Life Equation has been seen a few times before in various incarnations. In general, there is nothing capable of resisting it. At least no mortal/god type being, I doubt anyone higher than that was subjected. Mister Miracle being immune is a recently new development. Final Crisis then introduced that face paint thing and a few other ways to cheat it,, but that's all recent stuff.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 29, 2010 18:15:54 GMT -5
@Phantom: I initial put the Source and Rama Kushna into Tier 2 but thought it'd list two characters. Where do you list Over-Monitor or as Morrison calls him, Monitor-Mind? With the Presence or the Source?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 29, 2010 18:42:50 GMT -5
No flipping idea. That's the problem. In general,all three beings (Presence, Source and MonitorMind) are presented as omnipotent and all. It's just the matter of which story you're referring to. The Presence being the top dog is an unofficial rule of DC, one not always followed through on panel. Really, the relation between these being has never been established.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Dec 29, 2010 18:48:03 GMT -5
I don't like the way in Marvel The One Above All is tired with many people. And possessing the Heart of the Universe or whatever is called makes you on par with him also. I prefer the "top dog" to be singular. I like the way The Presence is generally referred to as the man at the top. And don't see anything past him, only under.
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 7:26:50 GMT -5
Ok, this is something that was in my head about Knockout and since she is a New God I thought I should ask it here. It is most likely silly but since she was killed by Infinity Man and her soul was placed in that second Source Wall, how did she end up in hell and was later resurrected with that Get Out of Hell card by Scandal?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 23, 2011 8:27:13 GMT -5
The most likely explanation is thatshe was not an actual god like Darkseid or Orion, but a lowly native of Apokolips like parademons, and thus didn't merit the same fate as the gods.
Of course the far more likely solution is that, like everything else with Countdown, it was simply ignored
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 8:30:10 GMT -5
I see. I suppose that makes sense. Thanks for the help
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Post by jakefury on Nov 23, 2011 12:02:04 GMT -5
Is Death of The New Gods worth a read?
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 12:05:13 GMT -5
I personally didn't like it. Never finished it. But that's just me.
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Post by jakefury on Nov 23, 2011 12:16:58 GMT -5
Ahhh. Gott the issues for a $ apiece. Maybe I'll read it one day.
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 12:32:22 GMT -5
Well since you have it already, read it then some day.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 23, 2011 13:07:45 GMT -5
Is Death of The New Gods worth a read? NO.
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 13:10:14 GMT -5
I see Phantom that you loved that one lol
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 23, 2011 13:11:54 GMT -5
The sad thing was that it was one of the first experiences with the New Gods I had, and I thought the characters are actually supposed to be like that.
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Post by cm24 on Nov 23, 2011 13:13:50 GMT -5
Really? Did you like it then at first or hated it from the beginning?
So you are like the New God expert of CL?
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