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Post by Erik-El on Dec 13, 2011 13:56:48 GMT -5
You know that saying, "children should be seen and not heard"? Well I think it should be changed to, "children should not be seen or heard".
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Post by NexusOfLight on Dec 13, 2011 14:01:17 GMT -5
Ha ha, reminds me of Arrested Development. Then again, a lotta things would remind me of that seeing as how I've been watchin' that non-stop lately.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 13, 2011 14:03:25 GMT -5
Lol.
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Post by MikeTheKiller on Dec 14, 2011 2:48:04 GMT -5
Raise a kid and then talk sh**
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 12:24:26 GMT -5
Raise a kid and then talk sh** If I had a kid, I would raise him with some respect. Anyone that can sit here and say that their disrespectful, entitled child is not the fault of their parenting skills needs to reevaluate themselves because their refusal to take responsibility for their own actions as parents is exactly why their kid turned out like shit in the first place.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 14, 2011 18:53:57 GMT -5
I'll echo Mike and say that it's real easy to just talk how you're going to raise a kid right until you actually do it. It's called the hardest job in the world for a reason.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 19:17:18 GMT -5
I am not saying the job is not difficult. I am saying that most are not successfully performing their duties as parents.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 14, 2011 19:28:13 GMT -5
You're saying you'd do better.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Dec 14, 2011 19:30:58 GMT -5
If I had a kid, I would raise him with some respect. Anyone that can sit here and say that their disrespectful, entitled child is not the fault of their parenting skills needs to reevaluate themselves because their refusal to take responsibility for their own actions as parents is exactly why their kid turned out like shit in the first place. Ha ha, again with the jokes. Making light of parenting is--well, it's kinda in bad taste, but still--very funny. On the real, it's clear you know very little about kids, parenting, or joke telling, and out of all of that, I'm more disappointed in the joke telling because some of the jokes you tell just aren't that funny. I'd recommend practicing in front of a mirror, then move up to the audience when your confidence is up. Pro tip. It really works. Also helps with public speaking too. It's quite clear that the people in the article haven't the faintest idea about kids or raising them, and anyone in agreement with the proposed child ban (no kids aloud outside? lol) clearly doesn't either. Kids are bratty no matter how good or bad the parent is. People used to know that. People used to know that children are never a black and white issue. People used to understand that children need to go outside. (Again, funny stuff.) The description Charlotte gave herself in the article isn't quite that far off to be frank. Raising a child isn't something that can be done in some proposed made up bubble that's completely separated from the rest of the world. On occasion, you will have to take them with you. You'll have to go to the store, you'll have to go pump gas, you'll have to go to hotels, restaurants, and all the other common everyday social places out there. And kids, being kids mind you, will have to act out. That's what they do. You can pop 'em upside the head to get 'em to stop or you can ignore them, or do whatever parenting thing that you think'll work to whip 'em into shape, and they'll still act out. Sure over time, if your parenting methods were somewhat effective, they might eventually learn how to act in public after a few years, but the point is, kids'll still be doin' what kids do in the meantime, regardless of how good or bad a parent you are. This isn't something as simple as saying "raise your kids better, so I--who know nothing about kids in the slightest--can have a better day." It just simply doesn't work that way, and putting a ban on kids for allowing their parents to take them outside isn't some magical fairy wand that'll fix it and make it all go away, because parents will always have to run errands, and on occasion, they'll need to take their kids with them. That's the only black and white thing about it. Child bans just simply won't work.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 19:32:32 GMT -5
You're saying you'd do better. I said I would raise my child with respect. If you think that is doing better than shit yes I would.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 14, 2011 19:41:40 GMT -5
You're saying you'd do better. I said I would raise my child with respect. If you think that is doing better than shit yes I would. Again, it's easy to just say so without actually having a kid. What, you think all those parents don't want their kids to be respectful? What, are they ALL just lazy? Or could it be that the one thing your kid will never ever do, is be what you want it to be? I'd also wonder just how much respect kids under fucking six can even have. You can't even remember that far.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 19:55:45 GMT -5
If I had a kid, I would raise him with some respect. Anyone that can sit here and say that their disrespectful, entitled child is not the fault of their parenting skills needs to reevaluate themselves because their refusal to take responsibility for their own actions as parents is exactly why their kid turned out like shit in the first place. Ha ha, again with the jokes. Making light of parenting is--well, it's kinda in bad taste, but still--very funny. On the real, it's clear you know very little about kids, parenting, or joke telling, and out of all of that, I'm more disappointed in the joke telling because some of the jokes you tell just aren't that funny. I'd recommend practicing in front of a mirror, then move up to the audience when your confidence is up. Pro tip. It really works. Also helps with public speaking too. It's quite clear that the people in the article haven't the faintest idea about kids or raising them, and anyone in agreement with the proposed child ban (no kids aloud outside? lol) clearly doesn't either. Kids are bratty no matter how good or bad the parent is. People used to know that. People used to know that children are never a black and white issue. People used to understand that children need to go outside. (Again, funny stuff.) The description Charlotte gave herself in the article isn't quite that far off to be frank. Raising a child isn't something that can be done in some proposed made up bubble that's completely separated from the rest of the world. On occasion, you will have to take them with you. You'll have to go to the store, you'll have to go pump gas, you'll have to go to hotels, restaurants, and all the other common everyday social places out there. And kids, being kids mind you, will have to act out. That's what they do. You can pop 'em upside the head to get 'em to stop or you can ignore them, or do whatever parenting thing that you think'll work to whip 'em into shape, and they'll still act out. Sure over time, if your parenting methods were somewhat effective, they might eventually learn how to act in public after a few years, but the point is, kids'll still be doin' what kids do in the meantime, regardless of how good or bad a parent you are. This isn't something as simple as saying "raise your kids better, so I--who know nothing about kids in the slightest--can have a better day." It just simply doesn't work that, and putting a ban on kids for allowing their parents to take them outside isn't some magical fairy wand that'll fix it and make it all go away, because parents will always have to run errands, and on occasion, they'll need to take their kids with them. That's the only black and white thing about it. Child bans just simply won't work. There was no joke in that post you quoted. You either quoted the wrong one or you need to read it again. Getting your panties in a twist because I am calling it like I see it is your problem and you are entitled to have that problem, but it does not make me wrong. Parents that have shitty kids are almost always at fault. The rest of your first paragraph is just a juvenile attempt to attack me. Check yourself on that because I am not going to have it twice. Wrong! People used to control their kids. And you are also wrong that all kids are bratty. It seems to me that the one that has no clue about kids is you. Where did you get your so-called expertise from, a cereal box? No one made any suggestion like raising a kid in a bubble cut off from civilization. Take your spawn with you for all I care. If you cannot control your little monsters, keep them out of everyone else's hair. I am sorry you think it is your right to shovel your shit in other people's faces but it is not your right. The very reason why this ban is picking up such speed is because of people like you that think it is their right to allow their child to bellow in a movie or have a tantrum in a restaurant and everyone should just tune it out because, "kids will be kids". It is that sense of entitlement and apathy that is passed onto the kids by a factor of 10. Kids do act out, but it is the responsibility of the parent to address it and instill correct behavior in their child. You cannot do that, you are a shitty parent. "Raise your kids better so everyone else can have a better day". LOL a ban preventing taking their kids outside? Please get serious. No one is going to do that. And since you seem to have read the article, I can safely make the claim that you are twisting context for the benefit of your argument. If parents need to take their kids along with them to say, the grocery store that is imposing a loosened version of this ban then guess what, they have a daycare service to keep said terrible children away from disturbing patrons. By damn the nerve of this grocery store. I can totally see why you would be so upset over that. How dare they make sure their paying customers have a stress-free and enjoyable shopping experience. What a bunch of money-grubbing assholes. I cannot see how movie theaters and restaurants would be an errand either.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 19:57:26 GMT -5
I said I would raise my child with respect. If you think that is doing better than shit yes I would. Again, it's easy to just say so without actually having a kid. What, you think all those parents don't want their kids to be respectful? What, are they ALL just lazy? Or could it be that the one thing your kid will never ever do, is be what you want it to be? I'd also wonder just how much respect kids under fucking six can even have. You can't even remember that far. I can remember further back than that and yes, I respected my parents even then. I think most parents would like their children to be respectful but I think that most lack the drive or the skill to make it happen.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 14, 2011 20:13:07 GMT -5
I can remember further back than that and yes, I respected my parents even then. I think most parents would like their children to be respectful but I think that most lack the drive or the skill to make it happen. I didn't. I was an asshole, but I soon mellowed out and grew up quite mild-mannered, if I do say so myself. My cousin was an absolute headstrong monster child, while her brother was the sweetest, quietest kid on the block, both were raised by the same parents with one year apart. You talk of skills like a child is a bicycle and once you see one you saw them all. Every child is different. Every child has different needs, has different desires and reacts differently to your actions. You can't be good at parenting. No one is good at parenting. It's a work in progress for every parent and every child, and each time it's completely different. Bottom line: You don't know what you're talking about. None of us do, because none of us have kids. The one thing I can say for certain is once we actually get kids, all of our preconceptions about parenting are going to fall the fuck apart.
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Post by Decoy Elite on Dec 14, 2011 20:14:30 GMT -5
Erik must have been some magic child of magic because me and every kid I knew were little disrespectful bastards at one point or another.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 20:19:34 GMT -5
I can remember further back than that and yes, I respected my parents even then. I think most parents would like their children to be respectful but I think that most lack the drive or the skill to make it happen. I didn't. I was an asshole, but I soon mellowed out and grew up quite mild-mannered, if I do say so myself. My cousin was an absolute headstrong monster child, while her brother was the sweetest, quietest kid on the block, both were raised by the same parents with one year apart. You talk of skills like a child is a bicycle and once you see one you saw them all. Every child is different. Every child has different needs, has different desires and reacts differently to your actions. You can't be good at parenting. No one is good at parenting. It's a work in progress for every parent and every child, and each time it's completely different. Bottom line: You don't know what you're talking about. None of us do, because none of us have kids. The one thing I can say for certain is once we actually get kids, all of our preconceptions about parenting are going to fall the fuck apart. That is not true. There are several good parents out there. And I never once suggested or implied that parenting is a one-size-fits-all thing. And one can most certainly be skilled at parenting.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 20:20:04 GMT -5
Erik must have been some magic child of magic because me and every kid I knew were little disrespectful bastards at one point or another. Not as much as I would like but I have known a few.... magical children lol.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 20:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by NexusOfLight on Dec 14, 2011 21:20:57 GMT -5
There was no joke in that post you quoted. You either quoted the wrong one or you need to read it again. I quoted the post to point out that everything you've been saying was a joke, because if it wasn't a joke, then that'd lead me to believe you've made a very poorly formed opinion on the matter of how kids act and how to properly raise them. Are you wrong in believing there is such a thing as bad parents? Of course not. Are you wrong in believing that it's a good idea for a chain of very public places should ban kids because you don't like them acting out? Not saying you are, not saying you're not. I'm just saying you're funny for thinking that, and even funnier for thinking it's a good thing. That's me calling it like I see it. You're still entitled to believe what you believe, and blah blah blah. I'm just sittin' here laughin' about it. Yeah, it was juvenile. Once again, I'm making light of the whole situation because I feel it's a pretty juvenile thing to begin with. So as fair warning, my posts will contain jokes (funny or otherwise), light juvenile attacks (with no means to truly offend you or anyone else in line with your line of thinking), and a little bit of what I what I actually feel about the subject in general. If you're willing to put up with sifting through to find whatever point it is I'm trying to make, be my guest. If you're willing to completely ignore the point and jest with me, I'd be perfectly fine with that too. If you want to do neither, then I'll be a little bit sad, but get over it and return to playing UMvC3. Until I get bored that is and possibly come back. It's all on you right now. No, I actually got it from a daycare. I've been around kids all my life helpin' with the business an' junk, and believe you me, no matter where they come from, no matter how good their parents are, they are all little Loki's. Not as smart in some cases, but when it comes being bratty, they got that down pack, and that's the good ones and the bad ones. That's exactly what the yahoo article is proposing. See, here is where I'd like to point out how funny you are again. Kids are poopy heads? They all are. Poopy heads by definition stink. They can't help it. Sure you could clean it up a bit, but it's still be poop. Wait, that's not entirely true. People can clean up pee pretty good, and make it taste just like water, but--well, are you really drinking water or just used pee? Crazy talk if you ask me, but what can you do? All this talk about poop and shoveling and pee... wait a minute, weren't we talkin' about kids? Not necessarily. You see, I think the reason this ban is picking up steam (is it even picking up steam? I'm not to sure, but hey, you're the expert on kids and raising them junk, so you should know)--let's start again. The reason the kiddy ban would pick up steam might have something to do with the drop in marriages and rise in smart people. Smart people realize that kids are the devil, and aren't in any hurry to have them. Or families for that matter. Did you know that marriages have dropped? Learned that from today's PhillyD show. People are wising up. And the wiser half the population just realized that kids are a hassle and want to deal with them as little as possible. You're obviously in the wiser population of things because you're off callin' kids what they are (poopy heads) and got tired of the smell and want them out of your hair. Nothing wrong about that. You're just thinking straight. Pretty soon, everyone else'll be like that too. You just gotta ride the wave. Once the other half the population realizes that kids are trouble, they'll be all over this too. Everybody wins. Way to make light of the subject. Jeez, this is a serious subject about srz bzns. Business suit an' all. The nerve. Of course no one's going to do that. Truth be told, I doubt any of this is gonna pick up that much steam at all, but hey we can always pretend right? And then blame the parents because we can do that right? But who knows, maybe this will be a big thing. Oh aren't you the clever one. See, that was a little bit better. I'd work on presentation a bit more, but other than that, yeah, I'd say that was a good joke. Kudos to you. Well, seeing as how you haven't raised kids, I doubt you would.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 14, 2011 21:30:58 GMT -5
You know I was going to bother with a response to your repeated insults, but I think I would just rather give you a time out. Saves me some effort. Rock solid parenting right there.
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