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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 6, 2010 16:18:24 GMT -5
So to go with my history thread I decided I would also start a thread on mythology. The purpose being to discuss mythology, give details on actual myths as opposed to the bastardized ideas we often see in comics, tv and books etc.
Misconception: Ragnarok in Norse Mythology is the end of the World Truth: In the actual myth, Ragnarok is not the end of the world. It is the end of this world. The twilight of the gods (what Ragnarok means) is a description of the final war between the gods and their ancient enemies the Jotun (giants). At the end of the story however, when the world is burned to ash and most of the gods, beasts and giants are dead. What is left is a green new world presided over by Balder with a dragon sleeping under the earth.
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Post by cm24 on Dec 6, 2010 16:21:26 GMT -5
I use to read so much mythology when I was a kid although not much in recent years. True, Ragnarok is often considered as some kind of Apocalypse.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 6, 2010 16:30:07 GMT -5
In a way, it is but Apocalypse itself as a term doesn't necessarily mean the end of everything. Even the Apocalypse narrated by St-John in the bible isn't the end of everything as once the world is purged of evil, there is new world ruled over by God.
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Post by cm24 on Dec 6, 2010 16:32:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess you are right.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 6, 2010 22:29:42 GMT -5
Is there an apocalypse in Greek mythology?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 6, 2010 22:45:14 GMT -5
There isn't an apocalypse per say but there is a prophecy saying that if Zeus, king the Gods, were to sire a child with Thetys then that child would overthrow him like he did his own father Cronus. Ending the current age so to speak as a new king of the universe rises.
But there isn't a story labeled "this is how the world will end" or if there is, it has not been found yet.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 7, 2010 0:16:30 GMT -5
Thanks
I've always heard that the Greek pantheon was stronger than the Roman pantheon. Yet, I've always head that are very similar and that the Roman pantheon was based off of Greek mythology. Are either of these true?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 7, 2010 9:06:14 GMT -5
I've always heard that the Greek pantheon was stronger than the Roman pantheon. Yet, I've always head that are very similar and that the Roman pantheon was based off of Greek mythology. Are either of these true? Yeah. Early Romans had their own Pantheon, but as time went on, they were more and more influenced by the Greeks, to the point where they started to identify their Gods with the Greek ones. By the time of late Roman Republic, the Romans basically accepted Greek stories as their own, and Greek and Roman deities became one and the same. This is not to say Roman religion was just a copycat. They had their own stories, own customs and their own ways of worshiping, but it was accepted that when a Roman was praying to Jupiter, and a Greek was praying to Zeus, they were talking to the same guy.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 7, 2010 9:16:42 GMT -5
[quote author=cromcruach board=gc thread=731 post=36021 time=1291670304 Misconception: Ragnarok in Norse Mythology is the end of the World Truth: In the actual myth, Ragnarok is not the end of the world. It is the end of this world. The twilight of the gods (what Ragnarok means) is a description of the final war between the gods and their ancient enemies the Jotun (giants). At the end of the story however, when the world is burned to ash and most of the gods, beasts and giants are dead. What is left is a green new world presided over by Balder with a dragon sleeping under the earth. [/quote] Semantics much? I mean, no matter how you flip, it's the end of the world as we know it. Cosmic order is being overthrown and a new one being put in its place. I don't see anything inherently wrong with saying The world or This world.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 7, 2010 9:19:32 GMT -5
The end of the world can be viewed as total annihilation of everything we know, not just the people.
All the residents of a world dying is not the same as the whole planet blowing up. I presume that is the difference he speaks of.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 7, 2010 9:26:48 GMT -5
I've always heard that the Greek pantheon was stronger than the Roman pantheon. Yet, I've always head that are very similar and that the Roman pantheon was based off of Greek mythology. Are either of these true? Yeah. Early Romans had their own Pantheon, but as time went on, they were more and more influenced by the Greeks, to the point where they started to identify their Gods with the Greek ones. By the time of late Roman Republic, the Romans basically accepted Greek stories as their own, and Greek and Roman deities became one and the same. This is not to say Roman religion was just a copycat. They had their own stories, own customs and their own ways of worshiping, but it was accepted that when a Roman was praying to Jupiter, and a Greek was praying to Zeus, they were talking to the same guy. Thanks Phantom!
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 7, 2010 9:29:11 GMT -5
Yeah. Early Romans had their own Pantheon, but as time went on, they were more and more influenced by the Greeks, to the point where they started to identify their Gods with the Greek ones. By the time of late Roman Republic, the Romans basically accepted Greek stories as their own, and Greek and Roman deities became one and the same. This is not to say Roman religion was just a copycat. They had their own stories, own customs and their own ways of worshiping, but it was accepted that when a Roman was praying to Jupiter, and a Greek was praying to Zeus, they were talking to the same guy. Thanks Phantom! No, it's Pantom!
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 7, 2010 9:36:35 GMT -5
The end of the world can be viewed as total annihilation of everything we know, not just the people.
All the residents of a world dying is not the same as the whole planet blowing up. I presume that is the difference he speaks of. I guess you could at it like that. But I think in either case "The world" is metaphorical. It doesn't refer to the planet we stand on but the established order of things. Anytime. ;D FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-----
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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 7, 2010 9:37:10 GMT -5
No, it's Pantom! You know, one day everyone's going to start ignoring your smoke signals!
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 7, 2010 9:38:45 GMT -5
I guess you could at it like that. But I think in either case "The world" is metaphorical. It doesn't refer to the planet we stand on but the established order of things. Of course, but I tried to put in within a sentence that would make sense based on the context of some things we now know.Embrace it!
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 7, 2010 9:39:05 GMT -5
No, it's Pantom! You know, one day everyone's going to start ignoring your smoke signals! LMFAO!
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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 7, 2010 9:44:50 GMT -5
You know, one day everyone's going to start ignoring your smoke signals! LMFAO!I thought you might enjoy that
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 7, 2010 18:36:23 GMT -5
I have a big question. Is Anubis or Osiris, the God of the Dead? 0_0
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Post by Decoy Elite on Dec 7, 2010 21:04:59 GMT -5
The Greek/Roman Gods are sick horny assholes. Seriously.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 7, 2010 21:50:48 GMT -5
Semantics much? I mean, no matter how you flip, it's the end of the world as we know it. Cosmic order is being overthrown and a new one being put in its place. I don't see anything inherently wrong with saying The world or This world. The difference is very important because the point of the story is that in the end, old world is not simply gone, but it is the basis for a new world. That's why Balder, rules as king of the gods in the new land. Plus it's important because the act of Ragnarok is not a finality but just another step in a cycle. This is similar in some respects to aztec mythology where the world follows a pattern of being remade and unmade on a cyclical basis. Hindu mythology also has this.
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