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Post by Strafe Prower on Dec 7, 2010 21:52:41 GMT -5
The Greek/Roman Gods are sick horny assholes. Seriously. Agreed!
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 7, 2010 21:54:35 GMT -5
The Greek/Roman Gods are sick horny assholes. Seriously. But i like them. ;D
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 7, 2010 21:58:13 GMT -5
Thanks I've always heard that the Greek pantheon was stronger than the Roman pantheon. Yet, I've always head that are very similar and that the Roman pantheon was based off of Greek mythology. Are either of these true? It's a little different and a lot more complex then Phantom puts it actually. The Romans didn't view religion like most modern people do and that's why it can be confusing but there is also the fact that their religion changed a lot over time. At first roughly around the time the Romans hadn't expanded out of Italy, they mostly followed the same Religion as the Etruscans. But as they expanded and they tried to assimilate the cultures they conquered (the first being the Gauls and the greeks) their religions syncretized with them. They incorporated their own myths with that of the Greeks and the Gauls and in turn this is why the personality of the equivalent roman god can sometimes be actually quite different. For example, Ares is generally described as a blood thirsty berserker in classical greek mythology while Mars to the Romans was seen as a patron of Rome and a god of both conquest and law. As they grew however the adoption of the syncretized Greek myths became the state religion. However personal cults of local deities (such as the original Etruscan deities) continued in personal life as the purpose of either was not the same. Just like it was perfectly normal to honor the State Pantheon in public festivals while praying to personal religions in private. Which is part of the reason why Christians and jew had problems with roman administration.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 7, 2010 22:01:10 GMT -5
I have a big question. Is Anubis or Osiris, the God of the Dead? 0_0 Both are. This is because as dynasties changed, and new ones rose as well as when they were conquered by outsider empires. Their religions would change in form as they absorbed new concepts or new interpretations of old myths were accepted. In this context, as these myths changed so did the god's role and their place in the religion. Also, Egyptian religion could vary greatly from city to city. So in essence, depending on which version and at what time. Both Anubis and Osiris have served as god of the dead.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 7, 2010 22:36:07 GMT -5
I have a big question. Is Anubis or Osiris, the God of the Dead? 0_0 Both are. This is because as dynasties changed, and new ones rose as well as when they were conquered by outsider empires. Their religions would change in form as they absorbed new concepts or new interpretations of old myths were accepted. In this context, as these myths changed so did the god's role and their place in the religion. Also, Egyptian religion could vary greatly from city to city. So in essence, depending on which version and at what time. Both Anubis and Osiris have served as god of the dead. Oh, interesting. Thanks for the info crom.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 7, 2010 22:40:18 GMT -5
The great and terrible Crom-Cruach takes pleasure in enlightening the small minds of mortals with his divine wisdom.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 7, 2010 22:42:30 GMT -5
My mind is not really that small to be honest....XD
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 7, 2010 22:43:56 GMT -5
Perhaps compared to other mortals little one. Compared to this hallowed deity such comparisons become decidedly unfair for you little human.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 7, 2010 23:00:18 GMT -5
LOL, I agree....XD
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 13, 2010 17:08:45 GMT -5
Every Mythology is bad ass accept for Greek\Roman.They have the coolest gods but they're myths are full of rape,homosexuality,and human emotion.I mean to think the God of all Gods Zues has to rape people and animals to get his rocks off.Ridiculous.Supposedly from my Art History class I learned that many paintings depict Zues and other Gods being tyrants and sexual deviants.You would think they would have the power to control more than they do.There are several sculptures and paintings of Zues tricking women so he can rape them.They all look innocent like "Abduction of Europa" for instance but there is another painting with nearly the same content called "The Rape of Europa" where Zues has transformed into a beautiful white cow to lure a woman away and rape her.There is also a sculpture of Zues holding down a goat and raping it. Gross stuff.If you cut out everything that has to do with Sex and how alot of Gods and Demi Gods came to be born.Greek Mythology is good.I mean it's my understanding that Venus\Aphrodite was born when Zues came in the ocean.What kind of stuff is this? This was their' religion? It makes more sense than Mormonism but damn!
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 17:26:11 GMT -5
Every Mythology is bad ass accept for Greek\Roman. Much shame upon thy head mortal for thy have been misinformed and are ignorant on the Badass that is the Dodekhaton. For they are very much badass. They have the coolest gods but they're myths are full of rape,homosexuality,and human emotion This is very much a very poor understanding of greek myth and very much a product of current morality applied to ancient mythology. First off. Greek myths don't all have the same purpose and thus what is depicted must be taken within it's purpose and context. Second greek myths and Roman myths, contrary to popular belief are very different. Their gods are supposed to be the same but they are not in reality. Mars of Roman mythology is very different from Ares of Greek mythology. Greek Mythology cannot be taken as one unified format, nor as all stories to be taken in the same manner. I mean to think the God of all Gods Zues has to rape people and animals to get his rocks off. It is very much more complex then this. Supposedly from my Art History class I learned that many paintings depict Zues and other Gods being tyrants and sexual deviants.You would think they would have the power to control more than they do.There are several sculptures and paintings of Zues tricking women so he can rape them.They all look innocent like "Abduction of Europa" for instance but there is another painting with nearly the same content called "The Rape of Europa" where Zues has transformed into a beautiful white cow to lure a woman away and rape her. Zeus's behavior in many occasion is reprehensible. However, there is a logic behind it and a purpose to the story, that without it leads to improper understanding of myth, or greek concepts of morality. Greek Mythology is good.I mean it's my understanding that Venus\Aphrodite was born when Zues came in the ocean Venus was born from the lifeblood that fell into Ocean from the wounded Titan Cronus after he was defeated by Zeus. Titans are cosmic creative forces their very essence creates all manner of life and death. If you don't understand the context, you can't judge. This was their' religion? It makes more sense than Mormonism but damn! Greek Mythology makes perfect sense within it's context. when you have the complete picture. It appears you don't at all based on these comments.
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Post by Tesseract on Dec 13, 2010 17:46:56 GMT -5
Is it true that Jesus Christ's life as is described in the Bible is pretty much the same as the mythology of Osiris?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 18:26:08 GMT -5
Is it true that Jesus Christ's life as is described in the Bible is pretty much the same as the mythology of Osiris? Oooh very good one. In the sense that both are mortal shell bound beings of divine nature that through death and rebirth ascended to a higher state. Jesus-Christ through his death on the cross and descent in Hell shed all mortality and rejoined the All (God) in heaven. Now what Jesus actually is depends a lot on the christian denomination. But the general idea that a mortal shell was shed to rejoin the on high remains. Osiris by comparaison was murdered by Seth and his organs were scattered across the world. That is until weeping Isis and Nephitys (whom felt responsible for his death, and in truth she partly is) gathered his remains in canoptic jars and placed his body in a sarcophagus where upon through Heku he was resurrected. However because his left testicle was never found, he could not be the sun and thus became god of the Dead while his son, Horus became the king of the gods after defeating Seth for the throne.
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Post by Tesseract on Dec 13, 2010 18:36:30 GMT -5
Is it true that Jesus Christ's life as is described in the Bible is pretty much the same as the mythology of Osiris? Oooh very good one. In the sense that both are mortal shell bound beings of divine nature that through death and rebirth ascended to a higher state. Jesus-Christ through his death on the cross and descent in Hell shed all mortality and rejoined the All (God) in heaven. Now what Jesus actually is depends a lot on the christian denomination. But the general idea that a mortal shell was shed to rejoin the on high remains. Osiris by comparaison was murdered by Seth and his organs were scattered across the world. That is until weeping Isis and Nephitys (whom felt responsible for his death, and in truth she partly is) gathered his remains in canoptic jars and placed his body in a sarcophagus where upon through Heku he was resurrected. However because his left testicle was never found, he could not be the sun and thus became god of the Dead while his son, Horus became the king of the gods after defeating Seth for the throne. I also heard that Osiris was born of a virgin, had twelve followers, that he was baptised in a river and that the man who baptised him got his head cut off. Also that he preformed similar miracles as Jesus. I don't know how much these fact are true though. I heard it in a great documentary called "Religulous" and just wanted to know or better say, confirm some of the claims said there. And thank you for this explanation above.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 18:46:24 GMT -5
I also heard that Osiris was born of a virgin This is not true, he was the son of Geb and Nut (the earth and the sky) and was born after they had sex, ergo. His mother was not a virgin. Sex is holy in Egyptian mythology. that he was baptised in a river and that the man who baptised him got his head cut off. Also that he preformed similar miracles as Jesus. I don't know how much these fact are true though. Not true in the myths, how events transpired and the context is very different. I heard it in a great documentary called "Religulous" and just wanted to know or better say, confirm some of the claims said there. There was a trend in certain new age and revisionist movements to equate Christianity with older pagan myths and to some extent there is some basis to it (in that syncretism and cultures meeting and borrowing concepts exists). But this documentary doesn not appear to be showing the facts. As egyptologist by far and large not only disagree with this but have put forth volumes and volumes to show how different it is.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 13, 2010 18:57:38 GMT -5
Every Mythology is bad ass accept for Greek\Roman. Much shame upon thy head mortal for thy have been misinformed and are ignorant on the Badass that is the Dodekhaton. For they are very much badass. This is very much a very poor understanding of greek myth and very much a product of current morality applied to ancient mythology. First off. Greek myths don't all have the same purpose and thus what is depicted must be taken within it's purpose and context. Second greek myths and Roman myths, contrary to popular belief are very different. Their gods are supposed to be the same but they are not in reality. Mars of Roman mythology is very different from Ares of Greek mythology. Greek Mythology cannot be taken as one unified format, nor as all stories to be taken in the same manner. It is very much more complex then this. Zeus's behavior in many occasion is reprehensible. However, there is a logic behind it and a purpose to the story, that without it leads to improper understanding of myth, or greek concepts of morality. Venus was born from the lifeblood that fell into Ocean from the wounded Titan Cronus after he was defeated by Zeus. Titans are cosmic creative forces their very essence creates all manner of life and death. If you don't understand the context, you can't judge. This was their' religion? It makes more sense than Mormonism but damn! Greek Mythology makes perfect sense within it's context. when you have the complete picture. It appears you don't at all based on these comments. It makes perfect sense that Zues has raped human beings? Please explain to me how this makes sense.I can agree to my ignorance on the subject of greek mythology.I learned Greek Mythology as a child and most of it was sugar coated and told wrong and most of what I know about Greek Mythology now has only been explained to me though the History of Art and Sex.I've read alot of Marvel stuff that deals with Mythology but obviously most of that is told from Marvel's perspective and not the real thing. So school me. ;D
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Post by Tesseract on Dec 13, 2010 18:59:20 GMT -5
I also heard that Osiris was born of a virgin This is not true, he was the son of Geb and Nut (the earth and the sky) and was born after they had sex, ergo. His mother was not a virgin. Sex is holy in Egyptian mythology. Not true in the myths, how events transpired and the context is very different. I heard it in a great documentary called "Religulous" and just wanted to know or better say, confirm some of the claims said there. There was a trend in certain new age and revisionist movements to equate Christianity with older pagan myths and to some extent there is some basis to it (in that syncretism and cultures meeting and borrowing concepts exists). But this documentary doesn not appear to be showing the facts. As egyptologist by far and large not only disagree with this but have put forth volumes and volumes to show how different it is. Thank you for your explanation..I knew the man couldn't be right about everything, I mean why should I take his word over the other side's, even though I'm an atheist. But it's still a fun thing to watch.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 19:09:58 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense that Zues has raped human beings? Please explain to me how this makes sense. Authors note: Just because something makes sense is different from it being right or wrong on a moral scale. With this said there are very logical reasons why greek gods act as they do: 1-The myths serve to explain human behavior and put it into context by offering an example. Humans can do good and bad. So can gods. That a god has divine power has no impact on it's morality. In the same vein, humans can perform great and terrible things. Zeus made the world, defeated the Titans and established the order of the universe. Yet he can still be petty, lustful and mean when he wishes. The same way a human king can build a great empire, yet still be an ass and cheat on his wife. It doesn't lessen his accomplishment on building his empire. It only means he's not perfect. 2-Gods in greek myths, define and decide of the rules of the universe. Hence they do as they please and mortals have no say on the matter. 3-Many greek myths of gods were actually invented by poets and known not to be true during their time and only used for entertainment. These stories often showed the gods acting in ways that clashed with how they acted in the religious myths that were believed to be true. The problem is that later people when these stories were rediscovered believed the greeks believed all stories about their gods true. This has been proven to not be the case.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Dec 13, 2010 20:15:33 GMT -5
It makes perfect sense that Zues has raped human beings? Please explain to me how this makes sense. Authors note: Just because something makes sense is different from it being right or wrong on a moral scale. With this said there are very logical reasons why greek gods act as they do: 1-The myths serve to explain human behavior and put it into context by offering an example. Humans can do good and bad. So can gods. That a god has divine power has no impact on it's morality. In the same vein, humans can perform great and terrible things. Zeus made the world, defeated the Titans and established the order of the universe. Yet he can still be petty, lustful and mean when he wishes. The same way a human king can build a great empire, yet still be an ass and cheat on his wife. It doesn't lessen his accomplishment on building his empire. It only means he's not perfect. 2-Gods in greek myths, define and decide of the rules of the universe. Hence they do as they please and mortals have no say on the matter. 3-Many greek myths of gods were actually invented by poets and known not to be true during their time and only used for entertainment. These stories often showed the gods acting in ways that clashed with how they acted in the religious myths that were believed to be true. The problem is that later people when these stories were rediscovered believed the greeks believed all stories about their gods true. This has been proven to not be the case. I understood most of this before I posted but let me ask this.You said that many greek myths were created by poets and weren't actually believed to be true, right? Most of the parts about rape in references to Zues are true though correct? I mean I understand that as a God you can pretty much do what you want because you are all powerful and that being petty is a product of human emotion which I guess was used in gods to make a point to the people. What I am wondering is why in most instances where Zues comes in contact with humans especially when it appeals to something sexual in nature he disguises himself to make a connection?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 20:28:15 GMT -5
I understood most of this before I posted but let me ask this.You said that many greek myths were created by poets and weren't actually believed to be true, right? Most of the parts about rape in references to Zues are true though correct? Not all of them, many were seen as just stories. They did believe he was a womanizer and a philanderer. Like with Hercules's birth, however many of the worse stories were intended as metaphor and morality lessons. I mean I understand that as a God you can pretty much do what you want because you are all powerful and that being petty is a product of human emotion which I guess was used in gods to make a point to the people. The Greeks also believed that their Gods were had their faults, they could be angry, petty and jealous. There was the thought of making a point. But it was also that they believed their gods as imperfect. Grand and majestic, but also petty and jealous. What I am wondering is why in most instances where Zues comes in contact with humans especially when it appeals to something sexual in nature he disguises himself to make a connection? Because all mortals would be annihilated if they saw his godly form. One myth explains that mortals cannot see the true form of the gods or they will die. Plus it serves his purposes to take other forms as it allows him to further his schemes. And when he just wants a free, no consequence fuck. He'll take another form so the person doesn't know it was Zeus that fucked him/her/that.
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