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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 12:49:21 GMT -5
"Fuck the U.S. Army must be the mother fucking Galactic Empire then." You have no idea what you've just started.... Lol.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 1, 2011 13:24:40 GMT -5
Cyke has done almost everything that Xavier would have done. When he fakes his death, it will be complete. Sure he seems more trustworthy on the outside because of his lack of telepathic powers but wait isn't he boning an Omega Level Telepath? Xavier has a chance to achieve his dream but his high level of either stupidity or evil kept him from it. Let's go all the way to the First Class, what does he do? He dresses them all in the same stuff and has them combat trained which is exactly like most crazy cults and militias behave he may have well been the KKK or the Black Panthers. Had he decked out his people like the Invaders or Avengers and sent them out to fight evil everyone would have assumed that they were the good guys. After building up enough fame and recognition for the group, they reveal that they are mutants and bam mutant crisis averted. He concealed when he should have been marketing. This is why he is incompetent and good or evil and competent. That is just one example. I wish I could understand what the fuck you are saying. Now uniforms are evil? Fuck the U.S. Army must be the mother fucking Galactic Empire then. I think he's saying that the identical uniforms gave the X-Men the image of being some kind of unofficial mutant army, rather than a group of heroes trying to do good work. The identical suits, the secret base of an undisclosed location, and the fact that they were revealed early on as mutants just set the X-Men up for being distrusted by the public. If Xavier was smarter, he would have given the X-Men individual costumes from the beginning (so nobody thinks 'mutant army' when they see them) and he wouldn't have outed them as mutants until after they had saved the world a few dozen times and gained favor with the public (like the Avengers or F4). What I don't understand is what that has to do with Cyclops being a bad leader...
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 13:29:10 GMT -5
@power NeXus:
I do not get the connection either.
But no one called the FF an army and they only had one less member than Xavier's five students. The uniforms were meant to show unity as a team while hiding their identities. Outing them as mutants later would not have helped much because the public would have been infuriated that they hid that information. The X-Men have knowingly saved the planet dozens of times and it has not changed their public image at all. So uniforms or no, it does not matter.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 1, 2011 13:42:09 GMT -5
@power NeXus: I do not get the connection either. But no one called the FF an army and they only had one less member than Xavier's five students. The uniforms were meant to show unity as a team while hiding their identities. Outing them as mutants later would not have helped much because the public would have been infuriated that they hid that information. The X-Men have knowingly saved the planet dozens of times and it has not changed their public image at all. So uniforms or no, it does not matter. Hmm. You have some points there.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 14:55:13 GMT -5
Cyclops did say that he thinks the blasts are not restricted to his eyes. But then if that ends up being true, what would they change his name to? Ruby? So gay. Plus his future daughter already has that name. On a serious note, he did say that he thinks his blasts can come from more than his eyes. Most heroes that end up having names that are irrelevant or stupid just drop them anyway. Power Man, White Queen, Shadowcat, Mr. Fantastic and so on. So, what, he theorizes that his powers should be more like Ult-Cyclops-on-Banshee or something? I haven't heard of this before. Here it is. Astonishing 14. Attachments:
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 1, 2011 15:40:43 GMT -5
Wait.... so his powers are partially under his control? He seems to be saying that his blasts are so powerful that they would desintigrate his glasses if he wasn't constantly keeping them in check himself. That seems like inconsistant writing to me. Half of Scott's schtick is that he can't control his powers at all without the help of the visor.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 1, 2011 15:42:42 GMT -5
you expecting quality writing from X-men?
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 16:16:51 GMT -5
Wait.... so his powers are partially under his control? He seems to be saying that his blasts are so powerful that they would desintigrate his glasses if he wasn't constantly keeping them in check himself. That seems like inconsistant writing to me. Half of Scott's schtick is that he can't control his powers at all without the help of the visor. Yes. He actually has complete control over his powers. He just chooses to not control them. That whole Astonishing run explains it in detail much better than I could just off the top of my head. But the short of it is that his bonk on the head as a kid had nothing to do with his inability to control his powers. He decided to never control the on/off switch and made himself forget that he even made that decision. He still can control how much juice he puts into it though. It is not always at nuke levels. Otherwise, he would never be able to ricochet off of things.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 1, 2011 16:35:15 GMT -5
*gazes at Erik-El's revelation with flabbergasted disgust*
Wow, just wow. I'm sorry to say that's just retarded.
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2011 16:39:47 GMT -5
I think an internal dilemma over one's excessive power makes more sense than "I bumped by head and now my powers went batshit crazy!"
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Post by Silver on Mar 1, 2011 17:17:42 GMT -5
Let's start with characters who did not need a revamp but received one anyway. -Wonder Woman: Odyssey is the single worst Wonder Woman arc ever written under any title in any comic ever. I abhor this arc. And no, my problem with it is not just her costume. I could care less about that, even if I did prefer the classic look. My problem is that the character you read about in the current run is not Wonder Woman. Her costume and history are not the only details changed. Everything about her is altered, to the extent that she is just an entirely different character. Her goals, her morals, her attitude, her disposition. She is not Wonder Woman anymore. In truth, she is a virtually brainless, bloodthirsty, self-serving brat. There really was no reason in the world for her character to be changed in the manner it was; the story lines prior to Odyssey were perfectly fine. The only redeemable method I could see for this is if when the gods realign Diana's life, they undo everything she did in the process and removed her memories of it or something along those lines. If writers decided on that, I would never complain about it again. But somehow I doubt that will be the case. It should have just been an Elsewords story. -Spider-Man: Yes, I am still b#$%@ing about OMD. Sue me. -Carnage: It could be worse, but Kasady should have remained dead.
Character who got a revamp but had that revamp largely ignored. -Martian Manhunter: Following 52 into The Others Among Us, J'onn was changed, but after that, writers forgot all about it. Two Martians from The Others Among Us arc have never been heard from since, and none of the development of J'onn's character during that arc has been referenced. Also, if anything, Brightest Day is detracting from his character.
Characters who need a revamp that I actually care about. -Daredevil: Shadowland seemed to derail his character, in my opinion. -Mr. Freeze: Nothing has happened with him in a while to sustain interest in him as a character.
Characters who need a revamp that I could care less about. -The entire X-Men cast, except for Nightcrawler (because Kurt is the only decent X character). -Sentry -Emo Boy Prime
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2011 17:20:57 GMT -5
"except for Nightcrawler (because Kurt is the only decent X character)." He's dead, but it appears AoA Nightcrawler will appear in the 616 Universe. He doesn't share Kurt's morals at all (he ported off Deadpool's head, lol)
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Post by Silver on Mar 1, 2011 17:28:28 GMT -5
"except for Nightcrawler (because Kurt is the only decent X character)." He's dead, but it appears AoA Nightcrawler will appear in the 616 Universe. He doesn't share Kurt's morals at all (he ported off Deadpool's head, lol) Oh, I know. The only reason I read Second Coming was for Nightcrawler's death. The arc was boring, but his death was well done. Although, I never quite understood what the point of killing him off was, other than for shock value and to make the X-Men even more pissed with Cyclops. Interesting to hear about AoA Kurt.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 17:36:13 GMT -5
@silver:
Probably the best rundown for WW's retcon ever.
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2011 17:40:22 GMT -5
"except for Nightcrawler (because Kurt is the only decent X character)." He's dead, but it appears AoA Nightcrawler will appear in the 616 Universe. He doesn't share Kurt's morals at all (he ported off Deadpool's head, lol) Oh, I know. The only reason I read Second Coming was for Nightcrawler's death. The arc was boring, but his death was well done. Although, I never quite understood what the point of killing him off was, other than for shock value and to make the X-Men even more pissed with Cyclops. Interesting to hear about AoA Kurt. I took Kurt's death as a sign of Hope's importance. Kurt has always been a man of faith, and he seemed skeptical at first about the mission just to protect a girl. But then later on he gave his life to make sure she'd live, becauase he believed she would in fact make a significant difference and he 'believed' in her. So, I view it as just hyping up Hope even more. Speaking of which, has she done ANYTHING?!
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 1, 2011 17:48:55 GMT -5
Hope has walked around and..... stuff.
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Post by Silver on Mar 1, 2011 19:44:26 GMT -5
@silver: Probably the best rundown for WW's retcon ever. @k4tz: I see what you mean, but considering how lackluster Second Coming was and, as you pointed out, how little Hope has actually done, it seems wasteful. But Nightcrawler is still a hero for it.
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2011 19:46:58 GMT -5
I completely agree.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 1, 2011 23:53:38 GMT -5
Most groups or organizations have their employees dress the same, not the mascots or the public faces of the company. When most people think McDonalds they think Ronald or the Arches. Those are the brand. Xavier denied any branding possibility when he kept them secret and dressed them like some crazy cult. Up until that point, the world had only seen superheroes in unique costumes to go against the grain here was retarded. Exactly, you don't sell any burgers in the middle of nowhere like Westchester, New York. He should have based his team in New York City so that he could get in on the FF and Avengers superhero action and boost his teams marketability. He won't ever sell his dream if he stays in Westchester which is another reason why Xavier was a highly incompetent leader. The FF's costumes served a purpose as they allowed them to use their various powers without destroying them. Also, no one had any allusions as to who the FF were nor what their mission was. The FF marketed themselves like crazy what with a tower in New York with their logo on it. Why didn't Xavier do that? Reed Richards was smart enough to realize that if you don't market yourself people will fear and hate you. The X-men's uniforms only served to feed into paranoia. Namor, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch weren't outed as mutants for quite awhile but because of the mutant hysteria that Xavier did absolutely nothing to quell they could never do so without losing face. If you read Marvels, you find out that as long as Namor wasn't trying to sink the world in Tidal waves, everyone loved him. Had Xavier not effed up things so royally he could have outed himself and never lost face. How does this all connect to Cyclops? This is how. Notice how that team is all dressed alike and how they are a secret team meant to save the world just like the first class. Guess what? Cyclops commissioned that team making the exact same mistake that Xavier did. Good job, Scott you are Charles Xavier. This is why I want him revamped so he can stop being so much a copy of Xavier and be his own man. As to why Xavier may be evil, that is another thread entirely.
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2011 23:59:08 GMT -5
"Cyclops commissioned that team making the exact same mistake that Xavier did. Good job, Scott you are Charles Xavier." Yes, creating a 'black ops' team in a time of war to take out high level threats is an evil move Besides, that CURRENT team is hidden from Scott. He's unaware they exist and thought the team was no more due to the WAR ENDING. Scott was awarded the goddamn highest medal a civilian can earn by Captain mother fucking America. Nuff said.
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