Killshot Caine
The Unstoppable Ledgernaut
You Just Mad Cuz i'm Stylin On you!
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Post by Killshot Caine on Mar 2, 2011 0:12:16 GMT -5
Daredevil isn't getting revamped after Shadowland but his comic is starting a new volume in July.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 2, 2011 0:21:41 GMT -5
@dedman Cyclops' black ops team wasn't supposed to give anyone any kind of image... of anything. For a long time, most of the other X-Men didn't even know that team existed. Xavier made a seemingly militia-like group when the 'mutant problem' was still new and unexplored, and he sent them off on grand adventures right in front of the public eye. Cyclops made a seemingly militia-like group when most people have come to terms with mutants on some level or another, and he sent them off on specific top-secret missions that NOBODY was ever supposed to know about.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 2, 2011 0:27:14 GMT -5
Wait.... so his powers are partially under his control? He seems to be saying that his blasts are so powerful that they would desintigrate his glasses if he wasn't constantly keeping them in check himself. That seems like inconsistant writing to me. Half of Scott's schtick is that he can't control his powers at all without the help of the visor. Yes. He actually has complete control over his powers. He just chooses to not control them. That whole Astonishing run explains it in detail much better than I could just off the top of my head. But the short of it is that his bonk on the head as a kid had nothing to do with his inability to control his powers. He decided to never control the on/off switch and made himself forget that he even made that decision. He still can control how much juice he puts into it though. It is not always at nuke levels. Otherwise, he would never be able to ricochet off of things. So............ um............................... okay then. Just about everything I thought I knew about Cyclops' powers was wrong. Does this have anything to do with that story a while ago when Emma tried to explore Cyclops' mind and she found a little black box that she couldn't open? I remember skimming through that but not really being sure what was going on.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 2, 2011 0:29:01 GMT -5
*gazes at Erik-El's revelation with flabbergasted disgust* Wow, just wow. I'm sorry to say that's just retarded. That's a pretty unrestrained insult there, bro. Care to explain that comment?
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 2, 2011 0:30:58 GMT -5
My belief is that, his entire past was a fabrication of Xavier's so that he could control Cyclops' powers. In reality, the ruby quartz is just a coping mechanism that Xavier installed.
If you look at Hulked Out Heroes Cyclops, he has multiple "eyes" all over his skull for shooting out his beams.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 2, 2011 0:31:54 GMT -5
That's a pretty unrestrained insult there, bro. Care to explain that comment? I wasn't insulting Erik-El, it wasn't even referring to him I was referring to the explanation about the state of Cyclops's powers. The whole Cyclops chooses not to have control over his powers Seriously, that is just fucking retarded. Not Erik EL, he didn't come up with it, he had nothing to do with it's existence. Just the explanation/revelation he made that was retarded (as in the explanation/revelation)
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 2, 2011 0:37:16 GMT -5
That's a pretty unrestrained insult there, bro. Care to explain that comment? I wasn't insulting Erik-El, it wasn't even referring to him I was referring to the explanation about the state of Cyclops's powers. The whole Cyclops chooses not to have control over his powers Seriously, that is just fucking retarded. Not Erik EL, he didn't come up with it, he had nothing to do with it's existence. Just the explanation/revelation he made that was retarded (as in the explanation/revelation) Ah, sorry. I misinterpreted your comment then. And I agree with you. It seems stupid to me that he can control his powers but decided not to and then forgot about making that decision. Partial brain damage made more sense to me. Although, I would like to read the arc when this revelation about his powers is revealed. I would like to know how he came to this conclusion.
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 2, 2011 0:38:15 GMT -5
My belief is that, his entire past was a fabrication of Xavier's so that he could control Cyclops' powers. In reality, the ruby quartz is just a coping mechanism that Xavier installed. If you look at Hulked Out Heroes Cyclops, he has multiple "eyes" all over his skull for shooting out his beams. I can come to agree with almost anything that is explained by Charles Xavier being an unmitigated b**tard.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 2, 2011 0:39:35 GMT -5
Ah, sorry. I misinterpreted your comment then. no problem.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 2, 2011 0:44:02 GMT -5
Yes, creating a black op team is always a bad move in a public relations conflict. He can't declare war nor can he stage a war without being a militia which generates negative press and only serves to further distrust and increase hate. Everything he has done so far has been something that Xavier would do had he still been in charge and all of it has either been highly incompetent, as I tend to think Cyclops is a good guy.
He was given a medal for not getting pwned by Norman Osborn like the Avengers were.
America is now just coming to terms with minorities despite them being around for quite awhile. Did not the Purifiers lead a somewhat successful anti-mutant campaign resulting in the rebirth of Bastion not too long ago? The fact is that Anti-Mutant groups still have quite a bit of power on Marvel Earth still meaning that this is still an active conflict that Scott has decided to fight using a secret team.
Xavier got asked to be a part of the Illuminati despite his general incompetence by some of the smartest men around. Cyclops getting a medal from Cap (I assume Rogers?) is the same.
That was just the most readily available pic but I could have used the one with Warpath, Wolverine, X-23 and Rahne just as easily.
Like I said, I am just waiting for him to fake his death to be exactly like Xavier.
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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2011 2:04:16 GMT -5
Xavier's death wasn't faked...He was shot in the head by Bishop and his body was removed before the team could notice.
As for Cyclops, he created a team to take out dangerous threats. These threats not only posed a danger to mutants, but humanity is well. Rogers even calls it a time of war. I'd take his word over yours.
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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2011 2:05:09 GMT -5
If you're just going to complain that certain actions can lead to negative views from certain groups, there's no point. No action is going to please every party.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 2, 2011 2:38:16 GMT -5
Yes. He actually has complete control over his powers. He just chooses to not control them. That whole Astonishing run explains it in detail much better than I could just off the top of my head. But the short of it is that his bonk on the head as a kid had nothing to do with his inability to control his powers. He decided to never control the on/off switch and made himself forget that he even made that decision. He still can control how much juice he puts into it though. It is not always at nuke levels. Otherwise, he would never be able to ricochet off of things. So............ um............................... okay then. Just about everything I thought I knew about Cyclops' powers was wrong. Does this have anything to do with that story a while ago when Emma tried to explore Cyclops' mind and she found a little black box that she couldn't open? I remember skimming through that but not really being sure what was going on. No. What you are talking about happened after Utopia. This was during Astonishing. She was trying to free his mind in Astonishing. The black box thing was all Scotts X-Force stuff.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 2, 2011 2:40:37 GMT -5
My belief is that, his entire past was a fabrication of Xavier's so that he could control Cyclops' powers. In reality, the ruby quartz is just a coping mechanism that Xavier installed. If you look at Hulked Out Heroes Cyclops, he has multiple "eyes" all over his skull for shooting out his beams. Sinister gave Cyclops the ruby quartz, not Xavier. Xavier did not know about the mental block because it was so deep in Scott's head that no one knew about it. I am getting the feeling you do not read X-Men. The funny thing is that the biggest haters I have spoken to about X-Men, do not even read the series.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 2, 2011 3:53:51 GMT -5
Sinister gave him the ruby quartz? Seriously? Then that cements it, the ruby quartz actually does nothing, it is all a control mechanism built in by Sinister to keep him from becoming too dangerous to harvest. I find it highly difficult to believe that Xavier didn't know about it, that guy is one of the most powerful telepaths on Marvel Earth. Xavier just rolled with it because it worked to his advantage as it gave him one extremely hampered student he could mold.
I don't have the money to spend on comics so I rely upon what I read in comic shops and libraries and various online sources. I am not as current as I'd like but I supplement what I don't know now with reviews and entries on the vine, the ledger, etc.
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Killshot Caine
The Unstoppable Ledgernaut
You Just Mad Cuz i'm Stylin On you!
Posts: 5,732
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Post by Killshot Caine on Mar 2, 2011 9:03:07 GMT -5
Are we still on Cyclops?
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 2, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
@vance: Unfortunately yes.
@dedman: The ruby quartz does diffuse the optic blasts. Xavier did not know about anything. He never made a habit to rummage through his student's heads. Wolverine being the exception because the guy was sent to assassinate Xavier. He kind of forfeit his privacy on that. And Wolverine still gave consent.
Sinister gave the quartz glasses to Scott so he would not be blind. The boy refused to open his eyes after his mutant activation. In order for you to make accurate assessments on characters, you should really read the issues so you understand the context. Reading reviews and entries only give you a small portion of the whole picture.
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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2011 14:22:11 GMT -5
Nicely put, Erik. Dedman, I understand Xavier has done quite a few shitty things (Danger, for example) but he really wouldn't just read the minds of his students. Otherwise, many disputes (such as the Bishop/Gambit incident) could have been easily resolved. At the end of a day, Cyclops is a badass and I'd recommend reading the material to judge for yourself
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 2, 2011 14:23:49 GMT -5
MK needs a revamp. Hmmm, Bendis could do it.
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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2011 14:28:20 GMT -5
Shouldn't you be reading a Daken comic or something?
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