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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 13:48:27 GMT -5
Nope, it was during the Spectre's on-going by DeMatteis, before Geoff got his hands on Hal. And that issue in particular was written by John Ostrander.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 14, 2011 13:51:02 GMT -5
I didn't remember that one I was refering to later Hal Jordan Geoff Johns wanking.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 13:56:28 GMT -5
Don't know, man. Geoff Johns only wrote Hal as the Spectre during GL: Rebirth, and Hal got restored as a GL halfway through the course of that series. He has never gone up against Darkseid in a Geoff Johns GL book afterwards, and Rebirth was Johns' first work on Hal to begin with.
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 13:56:39 GMT -5
Sergei Kravinoff. Will elaborate later.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 14, 2011 13:58:41 GMT -5
Don't know, man. Geoffcon Man only wrote Hal as the Spectre during GL: Rebirth, and Hal got restored as a GL halfway through the course of that series. He has never gone up against Darkseid in a Geoffcon Man GL book afterwards, and Rebirth was Johns' first work on Hal to begin with. I should clarify. I meant I did not remember that story had Hal Jordan as Spectre's vessel. And that I consider the Geoff Johns Hal Jordan spectre in Rebirth and awful piece of writing fanwank. I did not imply the this spectre went against (the above Geoff Johns one) went against Spectre.
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 13:59:32 GMT -5
As a new GL fan, Rebirth was flarking amazing. However, I can completely understand why a previous fan would be annoyed with such a big retcon.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 13:59:50 GMT -5
Got it, Crom.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 14, 2011 14:01:55 GMT -5
As a new GL fan, Rebirth was flarking amazing. However, I can completely understand why a previous fan would be annoyed with such a big retcon. To me it showed an utter lack of respect for the Spectre and was just another example of Geoff Johns Hal Jordan man crush.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 14:02:24 GMT -5
As a new GL fan, Rebirth was flarking amazing. However, I can completely understand why a previous fan would be annoyed with such a big retcon. I like Rebirth too, mostly because after reading everything that came before Johns took over, even Johns' worst stories on GL are at least on par with Winick and Marz's best.
I love Marz's work on Top Cow, but both his Green Lantern and Silver Surfer didn't impress me that much.
He can write a mean Thanos, though.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 14:03:26 GMT -5
No arguing that Johns seems to think Hal > everyone else, and that he doesn't have a good grasp on the Spectre and his abilities, though.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 14, 2011 14:10:46 GMT -5
It's not that he just doesn;t have good grasp of the Spectre. But also his man crush on Hal makes him either completely blind to the abilities and power level of other characters or utterly disrespect them.
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 14:12:28 GMT -5
No arguing that Johns seems to think Hal > everyone else, Super Evolved Shark-Man is damn close, though Alright, I want to get back into GL now. The only issue is I'm just about at SCW, so it's a pain to follow the crossovers and such. Sure, it's likely easy, I'm just insanely lazy.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Yes, your Laziness, it's actually pretty easy.
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 14:24:33 GMT -5
But my "must read list" is so goddamn intimidating, especially when combined with my complete lack of motivation!
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Post by Power NeXus on Mar 14, 2011 16:43:22 GMT -5
Sergei Kravinoff. Will elaborate later. I don't believe there is any need for elaboration. Sergei needs a revamp.
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 17:05:18 GMT -5
There's much need for elaborating! His revamp must be done well!
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 17:27:04 GMT -5
How I'd move on with Sergei from here:
After the events of Grim Hunt, only Spider-Man can kill Sergei. Rick R seems to be under the impression this has turned Sergei into a crazy SOB who wants Spider-Man to kill him, so he's going on a bloodlusted craze to get Parker. However, I strongly disagree with this. At first, Sergei was against his revival, calling it unnatural and such. But once he saw what his family has become, he strived to restorn honor to the Kravinoff name. Now he's attempting to do so with training his daughter, Ana, but it shouldn't end there.
Sergei is too good of a character to be limited to Spider-Man-related stories. Sure, we've seen him take on Ka-Zar, Tigra, and a few others, but Sergei is all about challenging himself and being the best. Now that Sergei has already "conquered the spyder" (Kraven's Last Hunt), he should move on to bigger challenges (in his opinion). To top it off, his newfound inability to die should further promote this motivation, realizing it will allow him to challenge some of the most well respected names in combat history---Wolverine or Captain America.
Thoughts?
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Post by Admin on Mar 14, 2011 18:06:34 GMT -5
Also, Frank Castle. His death was the highlight of his career in the past decade, then they went and created Frankencastle. While a unique/new take on the character, it was short lived and for the most part, not well received. Now Frank's back and he's back to doing to the exact same thing he's been doing for the past couple of decades. This man needs something critical to happen in his life to draw in new readers, because the status-quo is just old at this point. I don't care what happens, but he needs a change of pace from the *hunt down gangsters, hunt down teams, occasionally fight heroes*
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Post by Silver on Mar 14, 2011 18:13:15 GMT -5
Superman gets a wide margin of play due to his kryptonian nature. Batman does not. I agree that Bats has some absurd showings (fighting Despero, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, and several other powerhouses way out of his league), but to be completely honest, Superman receives more right of passage than any other hero in DC. When crisis events happen, because Superman is the flagship character, heroes more powerful than him sometimes job or at least fail to beat the imminent threat only for Superman to (not just referring to Doomsday). As for Darkseid, Superman should never legitimately beat him and has actually been beaten by him before. Really, in most of their fights, Darkseid hardly uses any of his powers. His usual MO against Supes is just fire Omega Beams, throw punches, and it stops there when he has several other powers at his disposal. @k4tz: I can agree with you on both.
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 14, 2011 18:49:06 GMT -5
How I'd move on with Sergei from here: After the events of Grim Hunt, only Spider-Man can kill Sergei. Rick R seems to be under the impression this has turned Sergei into a crazy SOB who wants Spider-Man to kill him, so he's going on a bloodlusted craze to get Parker. However, I strongly disagree with this. At first, Sergei was against his revival, calling it unnatural and such. But once he saw what his family has become, he strived to restorn honor to the Kravinoff name. Now he's attempting to do so with training his daughter, Ana, but it shouldn't end there. Sergei is too good of a character to be limited to Spider-Man-related stories. Sure, we've seen him take on Ka-Zar, Tigra, and a few others, but Sergei is all about challenging himself and being the best. Now that Sergei has already "conquered the spyder" (Kraven's Last Hunt), he should move on to bigger challenges (in his opinion). To top it off, his newfound inability to die should further promote this motivation, realizing it will allow him to challenge some of the most well respected names in combat history---Wolverine or Captain America. Thoughts? I know it probably sounds redundant since we spoke about it before, but I am quite annoyed by the tendency of retaining the existing status quo in comics for years, if not decades.
Kraven has been categorised by everyone as a classic Spider-Man villain. As such, despite the potential for good stories with him getting involved with other characters, such a radical development (completely disregarding Spider-Man, deciding to pursue new goals) is unlikely to ever take place. Even the stories of him fighting other Marvel characters (Ka-Zar, Daredevil, Black Widow, Tigra) originate from decades even before his death. Now he will be fighting Venom, albeit in a frenzy, but it's still good to see writers are interested in him. Kraven isn't exactly at a level where "quality appearance, or no appearance" can really be issued.
Back on topic, the talk about Kraven reminds me of a relatively recent development in F4, where, during Millar's run, Doctor Doom acquired power on a multiversal level, and despite being more than capable of killing the team, he deemed them all beneath him and decided to follow a different path.
Is it possible that Doom, of all people, will not be brought back, despite the fact that his character reached an important development that broadens his scope? Of course not.
So, no matter how developed Kraven may be now, the character will always run in circles, locked in a never ending battle against his most fabled prize -- the spyder.
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