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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 17:59:16 GMT -5
I think Frank is a lot more careful than some people suppose.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 18:01:36 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 18:06:42 GMT -5
He doesn't just go about willy-nilly blowing criminals heads off. Frank is about precision.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 20:05:37 GMT -5
He doesn't just go about willy-nilly blowing criminals heads off. Frank is about precision. A bullet in the brainpan is pretty precise. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 20:09:09 GMT -5
Never implied he wasn't precise smart or an idiot. He's just not on the level of Bat's intellectual foes like the Joker, Ras, Riddler or Bane. Once he starts his serial killing spree. Word is going to get out. And Bat foes will kill him. Some of them would run circles around him, and they'd kill him.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 25, 2011 21:19:22 GMT -5
The Joker only does things to eff with the Bat, if the Bat ever left he may become sane. At least this has been suggested.
Without the Bat, the Joker won't be doing much but waiting for his return. When the Punisher starts offing low level thugs, the Crime Families will come to the Joker to enlist his aid in killing him. Since Frank is not the Bat, the Joker will lure Frank into a trap and likely torture to death. You don't go after the Joker, the Joker comes after you. The Joker is not someone that Batman has an easy time locating so what makes you think Frank will have any better luck? The Joker is a prep monster who has successfully brought DC Earth to its knees on at least 2 occasions. Frank has only really taken down the Hood. He didn't stand a chance against Osborn. He doesn't really stand a chance against the Joker with some prep.
Like Crom said, Frank doesn't stand much of a chance against the smarter villains of Bats' Rogues Gallery.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 22:03:06 GMT -5
Hugo strange,current joker,ivy,clayface and maaaybe hush,mr freeze,new black mask and two-face will be the toughest of the standard/traditional villians.
Ra's,bane,LOA,deadshot,shiva,prometheus and slade will most likely beat him but they are'nt bruce's traditional villians and dont live in gotham so i dont see them being an issue.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 22:11:38 GMT -5
The Joker only does things to eff with the Bat, if the Bat ever left he may become sane. At least this has been suggested. Without the Bat, the Joker won't be doing much but waiting for his return. When the Punisher starts offing low level thugs, the Crime Families will come to the Joker to enlist his aid in killing him. Since Frank is not the Bat, the Joker will lure Frank into a trap and likely torture to death. You don't go after the Joker, the Joker comes after you. The Joker is not someone that Batman has an easy time locating so what makes you think Frank will have any better luck? The Joker is a prep monster who has successfully brought DC Earth to its knees on at least 2 occasions. Frank has only really taken down the Hood. He didn't stand a chance against Osborn. He doesn't really stand a chance against the Joker with some prep. Like Crom said, Frank doesn't stand much of a chance against the smarter villains of Bats' Rogues Gallery. When was it suggested that if Batman just stopped being Batman, Joker would become sane? Oh and Joker was not sane when Batman was shunted back through time. Explain that. You know why Joker is hard to find on the streets? Because he is usually in Arkham. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 22:26:48 GMT -5
The Joker only does things to eff with the Bat, if the Bat ever left he may become sane. At least this has been suggested. Without the Bat, the Joker won't be doing much but waiting for his return. When the Punisher starts offing low level thugs, the Crime Families will come to the Joker to enlist his aid in killing him. Since Frank is not the Bat, the Joker will lure Frank into a trap and likely torture to death. You don't go after the Joker, the Joker comes after you. The Joker is not someone that Batman has an easy time locating so what makes you think Frank will have any better luck? The Joker is a prep monster who has successfully brought DC Earth to its knees on at least 2 occasions. Frank has only really taken down the Hood. He didn't stand a chance against Osborn. He doesn't really stand a chance against the Joker with some prep. Like Crom said, Frank doesn't stand much of a chance against the smarter villains of Bats' Rogues Gallery. When was it suggested that if Batman just stopped being Batman, Joker would become sane? Oh and Joker was not sane when Batman was shunted back through time. Explain that. You know why Joker is hard to find on the streets? Because he is usually in Arkham. There was an arc in legends of the dark knight which showed him going sane.and whilst he did'nt become sane when bruce went back through time he did however help the batfaamily against doctor hurt and the black glove,he also contemplated a life of fighting crime(though he had a sinister smile when he said that). with that said i believe only morrisons and brubakers joker have the ability to beat punisher,modern day joker as portrayed by most other writers gets stomped quite easily. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 22:28:28 GMT -5
The Joker only does things to eff with the Bat, if the Bat ever left he may become sane. At least this has been suggested. Without the Bat, the Joker won't be doing much but waiting for his return. When the Punisher starts offing low level thugs, the Crime Families will come to the Joker to enlist his aid in killing him. Since Frank is not the Bat, the Joker will lure Frank into a trap and likely torture to death. You don't go after the Joker, the Joker comes after you. The Joker is not someone that Batman has an easy time locating so what makes you think Frank will have any better luck? The Joker is a prep monster who has successfully brought DC Earth to its knees on at least 2 occasions. Frank has only really taken down the Hood. He didn't stand a chance against Osborn. He doesn't really stand a chance against the Joker with some prep. Like Crom said, Frank doesn't stand much of a chance against the smarter villains of Bats' Rogues Gallery. Please dont talk about emperor joker,that's one of the worst stories ever and quite unfaithful to the joker too,was'nt it written by loeb? |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 22:30:55 GMT -5
There was an arc in legends of the dark knight which showed him going sane.and whilst he did'nt become sane when bruce went back through time he did however help the batfaamily against doctor hurt and the black glove,he also contemplated a life of fighting crime(though he had a sinister smile when he said that). with that said i believe only morrisons and brubakers joker have the ability to beat punisher,modern day joker as portrayed by most other writers gets stomped quite easily. So in other words, the arc in the Dark Knight is PIS. Insanity is not something you just pick up and drop like one would with a bad habit such as..... oh fast food or something. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 22:40:15 GMT -5
There was an arc in legends of the dark knight which showed him going sane.and whilst he did'nt become sane when bruce went back through time he did however help the batfaamily against doctor hurt and the black glove,he also contemplated a life of fighting crime(though he had a sinister smile when he said that). with that said i believe only morrisons and brubakers joker have the ability to beat punisher,modern day joker as portrayed by most other writers gets stomped quite easily. So in other words, the arc in the Dark Knight is PIS. Insanity is not something you just pick up and drop like one would with a bad habit such as..... oh fast food or something. Shrugs,i dont particularly care for that storyline but morrison did justify jokers inconsistency in this story www.comicvine.com/batman-the-clown-at-midnight/37-106607/here it was explained that he's supersane and develops new personalities depending on the situation to evolve and make himself better(kinda like a mental doomsday). |
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 22:43:22 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 22:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 23:01:11 GMT -5
Basically morrisons joker is as fierce as his enemy,if he sees punisher in action he's not gonna go play mind games or something like that,he'll adapt to face an opponent like frank.not saying punisher loses though.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 23:04:12 GMT -5
Basically morrisons joker is as fierce as his enemy,if he sees punisher in action he's not gonna go play mind games or something like that,he'll adapt to face an opponent like frank.not saying punisher loses though. Eh. Joker was not really even among those I considered Frank to be able to take out easily. But I am very unsatisfied that they marginalized Joker's condition into something that is a matter of what he chooses or making it conditional. |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 25, 2011 23:08:31 GMT -5
Basically morrisons joker is as fierce as his enemy,if he sees punisher in action he's not gonna go play mind games or something like that,he'll adapt to face an opponent like frank.not saying punisher loses though. Eh. Joker was not really even among those I considered Frank to be able to take out easily. But I am very unsatisfied that they marginalized Joker's condition into something that is a matter of what he chooses or making it conditional. I see,but if truth be told it happened cause writers prior to morrison(excluding brubaker)turned him in to an attention seeking pansy who puts himself in situations where even a normal cop could kill him. judd winick had him thrashed by jason todd twice,was owned by hush,was even killed by dick etc theres many more but i think you get the picture. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 26, 2011 0:03:52 GMT -5
He is not always in Arkham, just when he decides to be. Outside of Arkham, Batman generally has to wait till he decides to act to find him. The Joker can disappear when need be.
Why do you have a problem with his Super Sanity? I think it makes him even more interesting. It allows him to completely commit to any role he has chosen. He is only as crazy as he chooses to be. It perfectly explains his ability to become Oberon Sexton, Loxias the Magician, and any other versions of himself. He only chose crazy because he knew that society and Batman will oblige the insane.
Emperor Joker is one of the times I mentioned with the other being the Last Laugh. I have no problems with Emperor Joker, it shows just how much of his identity is wrapped up in the Batman.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 26, 2011 0:38:06 GMT -5
I think Frank is pretty resourceful. Yes, I believe he eventually gets cut down in the line of duty but I can see him making a pretty big stack of body bags before that happens.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Mar 26, 2011 1:02:33 GMT -5
He is not always in Arkham, just when he decides to be. Outside of Arkham, Batman generally has to wait till he decides to act to find him. The Joker can disappear when need be. Why do you have a problem with his Super Sanity? I think it makes him even more interesting. It allows him to completely commit to any role he has chosen. He is only as crazy as he chooses to be. It perfectly explains his ability to become Oberon Sexton, Loxias the Magician, and any other versions of himself. He only chose crazy because he knew that society and Batman will oblige the insane. Emperor Joker is one of the times I mentioned with the other being the Last Laugh. I have no problems with Emperor Joker, it shows just how much of his identity is wrapped up in the Batman. Oberon sexton was the best thing to happen to the joker,dick and gordon shook hands with him LMFAO without even realizing who he was,hell dick even asked him for help. |
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