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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:05:06 GMT -5
Bruce Wayne and Frank Castle; two men moved by great personal tragedy and loss. Both were spurred into vigilantism and their own personal one man crusade against crime by the deaths of loved ones inflicted by criminals. However each man took a drastically different approach, Bruce promising himself to never become judge, jury, and executioner, while Frank vowed to stop these criminals by any means possible, embracing lethal means. It is this interesting juxtaposition of philosophy that makes this discussion in my opinion.
So what would happen if Frank Castle took over as Gotham's Dark protector? Assume he has files Batman left him on some of the more dangerous foes.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 14:08:09 GMT -5
Awesome. What resources does Frank have at his disposal? Are we to assume he goes into this with full knowledge, or must he learn along the way?
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:14:42 GMT -5
Awesome. What resources does Frank have at his disposal? Are we to assume he goes into this with full knowledge, or must he learn along the way? We are to assume he has whatever resources and gear at his disposal he normally has within his own book. Also as I said Batman has left detailed files on his foes for Frank, however obviously he will have to learn the finer intricacies of each opponent personally as everything cannot be conveyed on paper.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 14:20:06 GMT -5
"We are to assume he has whatever resources and gear at his disposal he normally has within his own book."
Hrmmmm, I can't speak for the latest mini, but right before his death he was pretty pimped out in gear.
"Also as I said" TL, DR.
"Batman has left detailed files on his foes for Frank, however obviously he will have to learn the finer intricacies of each opponent personally as everything cannot be conveyed on paper. " Sweet.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:26:01 GMT -5
I think Frank would really get somewhere and take out a lot of baddies, but eventually i see him getting killed.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 14:30:08 GMT -5
Deadshot would be more than capable of dropping him in any random encounter, IMHO. It would be interesting to see Frank completely wreck and then kill some of the others like Joker, Two-Face, Penguin, etc.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:33:35 GMT -5
Yeah. It would be an interesting idea I think. The idea that Gotham is so vile and corrupt and dirty. Frank would start cleaning up the streets and I think possibly he could have a very successful go of it for quite a while. We may even see positive effects around Gotham. However he's make some very powerful enemies and it's not a question of whether deadshot or Deathstroke will be sent after him, but a question of when.
Also I just thought of this but let's assume that none of the Bat family still exist in gotham.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 14:35:40 GMT -5
I also wonder how his interactions with other heroes in the city will play out.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:40:05 GMT -5
That's why i said the bat family wouldn't exist, because then we'd probably just have them trying to stop him.
However other heroes not necessarily under the Bat banner could have a problem with him offing crimianls, or perhaps they'd begin to see that maybe for once something was being done to make a difference, kinda like Willem Defoe's character in the Boondock Saints.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 14:42:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I understood the logic behind excluding the bat family, but the city is still home to quite a few other characters. I think there's a lot of potential for interesting dynamic relationships and such. I wonder who would function as his 'Daredevil.' The hero he'll always bump into and generate ugly results.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Mar 25, 2011 14:49:25 GMT -5
I don't know. I'd assume catwoman would have a problem with Frank, and I'd also assume Frank wouldn't hurt her severely so i'd liek to see how that would play out specificially since she is a criminal, albeit a jewel thief who doesn't necessarily harm any innocents.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Mar 25, 2011 15:16:57 GMT -5
Many people forget that while Alan Scott works with the JSA in New York he lives in Gotham. I doubt he would allow Frank to continue operating in Gotham. It is only a matter of time til he ends up in Arkham Asylum. He may kill several low level baddies but against the likes of the Joker, Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, and Deadshot, he may have quite a bit of trouble.
Before anyone says it, Frank ain't the Bat. He isn't incorruptible, he is corrupted. He has crossed the line and never looked back, the Joker won't find him interesting, he won't find him fun. He'll go right for the throat with Frank. The Joker will hang back and figure him out and then take him apart. This is assuming that the Joker doesn't just go sane and cease his villainy.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 15:19:39 GMT -5
Frank has information to begin with on the Joker...And due to his nature, I'd imagine that would be one of the first Frank would go after.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 15:21:36 GMT -5
Zsasz would be an incredibly easy one to kill, and it's likely Frank would go after him after reading the file, too.
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Post by Geraldthesloth on Mar 25, 2011 15:41:11 GMT -5
Deadshot would be more than capable of dropping him in any random encounter, IMHO. It would be interesting to see Frank completely wreck and then kill some of the others like Joker, Two-Face, Penguin, etc. While I don't see Deadshot being much of a Bats villain anymore, Deadshot would kill him pretty easily. I could see Frank killing pretty much anyone easily with the exception of Clayface and Ivy.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 16:24:31 GMT -5
Many people forget that while Alan Scott works with the JSA in New York he lives in Gotham. I doubt he would allow Frank to continue operating in Gotham. It is only a matter of time til he ends up in Arkham Asylum. He may kill several low level baddies but against the likes of the Joker, Poison Ivy, Deathstroke, and Deadshot, he may have quite a bit of trouble. Before anyone says it, Frank ain't the Bat. He isn't incorruptible, he is corrupted. He has crossed the line and never looked back, the Joker won't find him interesting, he won't find him fun. He'll go right for the throat with Frank. The Joker will hang back and figure him out and then take him apart. This is assuming that the Joker doesn't just go sane and cease his villainy. How would Frank's presence have any bearing on Joker's sanity? Also, if Frank came to Gotham, it is not like he will hang a banner over his doublewide on the outskirts of town saying, "Come tear me up Joker!" in big neon lighting. You might be giving Joker more credit than he deserves? Take Frank apart? How? Frank is already damaged goods.
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Post by Erik-El on Mar 25, 2011 16:32:00 GMT -5
Frank comes across a card left by the Riddler.
It starts, "What has three legs....."
That is as far as it goes before Frank gives up reading the card, drives across town to Riddler's apartment, knocks on the door and blows Riddler's head open with a .45.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2011 16:33:34 GMT -5
LMFAO
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Post by Morpheus on Mar 25, 2011 16:43:39 GMT -5
LOLOLOLOL
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Mar 25, 2011 17:24:53 GMT -5
Frank would likely kill a lot of mooks then die horribly when the smart villains get tired of him.
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