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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 13:40:30 GMT -5
nothing more needs to be said. Firefly was fun. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 13:46:19 GMT -5
True Stargate Fanboys DO NOT LIKE Stargate Universe!  Haven't heard that before.  I don't really understand why SGU gets such a bad rap because it's dark and edgy. True, it doesn't have the spirit of SG1 and Atlantis, but that's not a bad thing. That's what spin-offs are about, exploring the universe (No pun intended) from a different angle. If they did maintain the atmosphere of the previous series, they would have just ended with an Atlantis clone. SGU is not bad. It has its problems, but they're overinflated by people because it's taken a new direction people don't like. Besides, at this point, it's pretty much the only thing advancing the setting of Stargate. Now that it's canceled, Stargate is as good as dead. Would you rather have SGU, or no Stargate at all? |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 13:57:35 GMT -5
I would rather have no new Stargate then having SGU because SGU is pissing in the face of everything awesome about Stargate. It's only Stargate by name.
I have all the SG-1 episodes, I have watched them all many times. I've watched all of Atlantis too. Better that true Stargate be ended unblemished then this shit.
SGU is to Stargate what the SCY-FY Highlander movies was to the original Highlander TV show.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 13:58:41 GMT -5
Aw come on now, that's just being mean.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 13:59:20 GMT -5
Aw come on now, that's just being mean. nothing but truth. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 13:59:41 GMT -5
Why?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 14:07:21 GMT -5
Let's make this a thought experiment: You've watched Stargate SG1 right? Explain to me as if I had never even heard of the show what it is. Paying close attention to themes, mood and ideas. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 14:52:23 GMT -5
You've watched Stargate SG1 right? Explain to me as if I had never even heard of the show what it is. Paying close attention to themes, mood and ideas. Okay, SG1 is a series about a US air force special team who travel across the galaxy using a device called stargate, which can connect to similar devices across thousands of world, searching friendly life forms, advanced technology and means to defend Earth from aliens which posed as gods on Earth in the past. The series treats myths from Egyptian, Greek, Mesoamerican and other cultures as actual events involving advanced alien technology and as such draws inspiration for much of the plot from finding out the truth behind those myths and the aliens which instigated them, as well as how the normal, modern humans deal with aliens and the technology. The series was serious, but maintained a light-hearted mood, and was replete with humor and references to popular culture and famous sci-fies from the genre savvy crew. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 14:56:19 GMT -5
Alright now tell me how a generic episode usually comes off, plot, pacing style etc.
And then do this and what you did above for Atlantis and SGU. Trust me I'm going somewhere with this BTW...
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 15:24:42 GMT -5
A generic episode? Uh, a team would gate to an unknown new world, meet the natives, get into some kind of trouble either with the natives, a piece of technology or an advanced alien, forcing them to come up with a solution, usually through deciphering ancient clues and adapting said technology.
For Atlantis, gating to a new world is replaced with finding a new mystery on Atlantis itself half the times, as well as trying to find a way back to Earth.
SGU, Hm, I don't really know if they have a generic episode. They're all over the place. I suppose it would be something like Destiny churns out a new problem and the crew must race to fix it before the ship falls apart and they all die.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 15:26:27 GMT -5
Do you see the problem?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 15:44:39 GMT -5
Yes, I understand the difference in premise, but allow me to reiterate that that in itself is not bad. Spin-offs exist in order to see the setting from a new angle. Universe is not like SG1 and Atlantis, it's an all together different beast, but it's still Stargate. All the plot points are still there. All the characters are still themselves. Only the tone is different. Whether you like this or not is a matter of taste. It's not necessarily bad by itself.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 15:53:57 GMT -5
You don't understand the problem. Stories set int he same universe have to have continuity, tie in more then just throw away concept, have to keep up ideas etc. SGU sucked balls, not only did it not do that, but it ignored and followed nothing that makes stargate well stargate.
Exploring a lesser portion of the universe does not give you a license to completely throw away everything about a show, in fact quite the opposite. You have to build on the good. SGU has nothing to do with Stargate except the name.
This is only made worse because it started off on one of the biggest mysteries of Stargate, the 9th echelon only to become a terrible sci-fi survival/inter-personal conflict caused by claustrophobic close quarters shows that was almost like "Lost" in space.
Ignoring that Stargate is at it's core about, ancient civilizations and mythology being well from Space. SGU has little to nothing of that.
It fails on every level. Even the tone which is totally inappropriate for Stargate. You want good examples of Spin-Offs Star trek is a great example. From Next Generations with Picard which was itself inheritor to the original, each series that followed built on something that wasn't previously explored and crossed over with them.
Deep Space 9: Politics in the Star Trek Verse
Voyager: lost beyond the know systems
etc.
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Apr 1, 2011 16:13:10 GMT -5
You may hate me for this, but i really wish John Ritter hadn't died. 8 Simple Rules was a good show.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 16:14:26 GMT -5
That's not true. Universe acknowledges everything that came before it. They dropped the mythological aspect because, well, Stargate itself dropped the mythological aspect. The Replicator arc had nothing mythological about it, and Atlantis itself had very little mythology beyond the first episode. Ancient space races? They have them (Hell, they've introduced races more powerful than freaking Ancients). Exploring strange new worlds? They have that too. They're just not the main force behind the plot anymore. Just like every Star Trek series had a completely different force driving the plot.
Though I do agree the ninth chevron should have been bigger. I always thought it was to unlock addresses only the ancients had access to, like top secret off-the-map bases and stuff, and one of them would be the Destiny.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 16:38:13 GMT -5
Well I can only disagree with you. SGU failed everywhere it should have, had loosy ideas like that race more powerful then the ancients and simply failed to deliver anything with a Stargate feel.
The tone, mood and style were the worst aspects. Fuck SGU may it roast in hell with all the traitors.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 16:44:41 GMT -5
I don't see why a race more powerful than the Ancients would be a bad thing. The universe is a pretty big place after all. I can understand it not delivering the feel though. Ah well, I guess you can't argue tastes. I still hope the series gets renewed.  |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 16:46:42 GMT -5
I don't see why a race more powerful than the Ancients would be a bad thing. The universe is a pretty big place after all. because it is trite, unimaginative and examples of the Mary Sue syndrome bad spin-offs have too often. I still hope the series gets renewed. I hope all copies of this show get buried in the desert somewhere and the creators get bockep of the head. |
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Apr 1, 2011 16:58:26 GMT -5
because it is trite, unimaginative and examples of the Mary Sue syndrome bad spin-offs have too often. Aw come on. Appearing for a few episodes to facilitate a b-plot does not make them mary sues. If it gets renewed, I'll wear its av and sig just for you. ;D |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Apr 1, 2011 17:00:38 GMT -5
Aw come on. Appearing for a few episodes to facilitate a b-plot does not make them mary sues. Yes it does, even a single appearance can make you a hate worthy mary sue. If it gets renewed, I'll wear its av and sig just for you. ;D Prepare to lose karma then. |
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