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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 18:34:04 GMT -5
I would give spidey a 3. 2 seems too low. Uh oh here come the real debate starters: taskmaster and mister x If Mister X has mastered every style and even created his own then he deserves a 7.
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Post by Strafe Prower on May 2, 2011 19:06:33 GMT -5
I'm giving Clint a high 4 or low 5. I'll let you guys debate which.
Mockingbird should definately be a 5. Her showing against Captain America and just general fighting technique (Being skilled with a staff, staves, and just H2H) makes her a middle rank 5.
Katana is definately a 6, if not 7. Her displays against opponents are great and she is stated to be a master of mulitple styles.
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Post by ckal on May 2, 2011 19:10:46 GMT -5
Hasn't Mister X had poor showings without his telepathy? I think that is a debate within itself, how skilled he actually is when he cannot predict his enemy's moves?
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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 19:10:56 GMT -5
I think a 4 is good for Clint. It may actually be arguable that he deserves a low 5 due to his showings as Ronin.
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Post by Pirateking69 on May 2, 2011 19:28:16 GMT -5
What about Bucky 5,6,7? or lower?
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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 19:32:34 GMT -5
Hasn't Mister X had poor showings without his telepathy? I think that is a debate within itself, how skilled he actually is when he cannot predict his enemy's moves? That's true. Logan beat him by going feral. He couldn't predict his moves.
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Post by mavfan626 on May 2, 2011 19:53:36 GMT -5
Hasn't Mister X had poor showings without his telepathy? I think that is a debate within itself, how skilled he actually is when he cannot predict his enemy's moves? Every time I've bought it up, most say it bad writing and that doesn't really need his telepath because he's already skilled MA.. but it's consistent so I think it should be discussed..
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Post by ckal on May 2, 2011 20:09:24 GMT -5
mav- I think it's a matter of CIS. Or that he relies on his telepathy too much. He has studied and mastered many martial arts, so he should logically be at least a formidable foe without telepathy. But off the top of my head, he lost to Iron Fist and Wolverine when he was not able to read their moves, and Iron Fist beat him easily. Granted, it is Iron Fist who is one of the best martial artists there is, he acted helpless.
This is exactly what I was talking about before. It's not about the number of martial arts they have mastered or have knowledge of, it is their ability to use their skills in combat.
Mister X is still greatly skilled with his telepathy, so he should still get a high score. But without it, he seems to suffer from CIS.
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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 20:11:57 GMT -5
I think you hit the nail on the head ckal. He depends on it too much.
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Post by ckal on May 2, 2011 20:14:16 GMT -5
Could very well be.
How do you feel about Taskmaster?
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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 20:16:19 GMT -5
He's kind of like Mister X. Wildly inconsistent...
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Post by spidey_17 on May 2, 2011 20:47:37 GMT -5
I don't think it really makes sense that X can not fight properly without his TP. Then what's the reason that he has mastered all those styles if the only way that he ca fight is because he can use TP? I really don't buy it.... =]
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Post by jakefury on May 2, 2011 20:49:11 GMT -5
The only arc I've read with Mr X is Thunderbolts Widowmaker.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on May 2, 2011 22:03:38 GMT -5
Can't we go metric? A 7 point system just seems too limited. How about this? It gives us some flexibility to class people like Karate Kid and Batman 1 Mil as well as people like Batman and Steve Rogers more adequately.
1 - Crap Fighter like most of us are 2 - Untrained 3 - Untrained but naturally adept 4 - Some Training in at least one Martial Art 5 - Experienced Fighter 6 - Master of one Martial Art 7 - Master of at least one Martial Art with some training in other forms 8 - Master of multiple Martial Arts 9 - Master of most Martial Arts 10 - Master of All Martial Arts
Comments?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 3, 2011 5:40:06 GMT -5
We already talked about that meaning of the ranks. Because we know people that have 10, but are not 10. If you get me? As in they know all the martial arts, but are not good enough for the 10 slot. That was the only thing people found the ranking system debatable. But I got to live with it.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on May 3, 2011 6:56:39 GMT -5
I think 10 should be classed as Grandmaster. And people below it classed as something else. Because I believe given a description of the title can hinder the title. Like Batman wouldn't be 10, he'd be 7-8 possible/maximum 9.
Also, I think Sensei, O-Sensei, I-Ching should be 7, or if we have 10s, 10s.
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Post by Strafe Prower on May 3, 2011 8:06:14 GMT -5
Falcon is going to be a 3 or 4. Not sure which.
Catwoman is a 5, In my opinion.
Harley Quinn will be a 3 or 4 as well.
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Post by Morpheus on May 3, 2011 10:40:29 GMT -5
OK, concerning two characters that were mentioned earlier.
In sheer knowledge, few characters can match Mr X and Taskmaster. Mr X's practical application of said skills without his telepathy is literally impossible to judge, but his overall combat showings have been very good. To add a little something about his showings without TP (presuming we're using the version that uses TP) we know he trained extensively to conquer his weakness against feral minds which he is unable to read, and goaded Wolverine to a fight while having full confidence he'd be able to beat him, regardless. Wolverine realised X wanted to beat "the beast", not the man, and broke off the fight, and while the showing is incomplete, it is indicative.
Taskmaster has been plagued by CIS and poor writing for quite a while, but all in all I'll still argue his good showings outweigh the bad ones by a good margin. The problem is that most writers fail to understand that Taskmaster doesn't read opponents, at least not in a manner in which he is exclusively reliant upon it. He can duplicate every move an opponent makes on the fly, but in combat, he casually utilizes styles he has memorised already. So, Deadpool beating TM by dancing and being "too unpredictable" is fugazi, because TM doesn't need to read him at all. He can just use the styles he has copied from Cap, Daredevil, or anyone else and beat him up.
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Post by Admin on May 3, 2011 10:43:43 GMT -5
Agreed on both points.
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Post by Admin on May 3, 2011 10:48:07 GMT -5
As for the ranking system, I really see no reason to change from the 1-7 system. Despite some being vastly superior to others in the 7 ranking (for example, Mr. X in comparison to Wolverine or Taskmaster), they're deserving of that rank which simply recognizes they're among the best in knowledge and displays.
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