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Post by Erik-El on Jun 4, 2011 18:40:40 GMT -5
Wow. Got me on the Red Sonja. Good one.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jun 4, 2011 18:45:07 GMT -5
From comics: Red Sonja for one. Nimue in Hellboy I'm really liking. I also like Aphrodite IV and IX just on top of my head. There are many others.
Novels: Lara Raith from the Dresden files is so bloodthirsty and evil it's amazing. But she is totally awesome and likely my favorite.
plenty more out there too.
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 4, 2011 19:07:50 GMT -5
I guess I should not have asked what character YOU like but rather which ones are successful. Aphrodite IX has been in less than 10 issues and most were her own mini. I can imagine the same treatment is given for the others. My point is that generally speaking, no one truly values female characters like that. They are throwaway characters that make you laugh but when rumors hit that reveal a potential death for the character, most are thinking, "yeah that makes sense" or "who?".
People cannot relate to female characters like that and female characters are hard enough to relate to as it is seeing as how the market is dominated almost exclusively by males. Red Sonja is an exception but her series is hardly "successful". It is just making enough to keep going and that is probably because most see it as a T&A book because of her outfit. I would wager that if Dynamite threw some pants on her, the title would hemorrhage readers.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jun 4, 2011 20:43:57 GMT -5
Aphrodite IX has been in less than 10 issues and most were her own mini. I can imagine the same treatment is given for the others. Nimue is the main antagonist in the current Hellboy arc she's been in built up in the series since the 5th trade (there are currently to the 10th trade) Red Sonja is an exception but her series is hardly "successful". It is just making enough to keep going and that is probably because most see it as a T&A book because of her outfit. I would wager that if Dynamite threw some pants on her, the title would hemorrhage readers. This is simply not true, Red Sonja has been running for decades and the people who've been keeping it running at dynamite are dedicated fans who actually like the character and her story. Those who buy Red Sonja looking for T&A drop out quickly since the writers have since the beginning been writing her as something a lot more then just eye candy. She doesn't even wear her famous outfit all the time in the comic. Pants aren't actually an alien thing for her, lol... My point is that generally speaking, no one truly values female characters like that. considering Red Sonja, the Dresden Files and Hellboy have all been through multiple printings and the Dresden files (where Lara Raith is from) has won awards and is known by fantasy fans world wide as great. I disagree. There might not be a lot of characters like that. Doesn't mean they can't be successful or that those that exist aren't. |
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 4, 2011 21:34:44 GMT -5
Antagonists are different from protagonists. Next.
She has not been running for decades at Dynamite (2005) and her Marvel series only lasted 15 issues with a few more series feeble attempts lasting less than 10 issues each. Then just as now, she is commonly referred to "Conan with tits". Most fans of the series are not like you and me anyway. Dynamite is known for its T&A comics. They just so happen to treat Red Sonja better by giving her Conan-quality stories. I seldom encounter people who rave about Red Sonja's story complexity. Most make a quip about her chain mail bikini. You are giving readers too much credit.
I have 4 of her Dynamite trades. Never once does she wear anything else in them.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 8, 2011 4:25:22 GMT -5
I never really read too much JSA. Maybe I should pick up a few trades, though at this point it would only be to see a quality story. It is not like anything DC is doing or has done will have any relevance in a few months. Ask Beatboks, he'll point you in exactly the right direction then. Johns run had some good stories, but for the most part they took too long to play out. So unless your REALLY into a in depth read not a great place to start. You did say you liked KC superman so there is the early "team building issues (prior to the drawn out Gog storyline )of that series. A good read IMHO would be the JSA vs Kobra mini or the JSA Strange Adventures (which featured the JSA in their younger years post WWII) There is a lot of potential in the JSA IMHO (obviously) that a good writer could run with 1. Alan Scot as Crom said is one of the most useful magic characters in DCU. His age should have been unimportant for almost 3 decades now, since he's supposed to be living Starheart energy. The sentinel change and even after reverting to GL is basically that his own will of perception of himself dictates how he is. It's why he can look young middle aged or old in the same issue. If he feels young that's how he looks and is. When he lost his eye (checkmate) it stayed that way because that's how he wanted it, when he didn't he simply grew a new one. 2. His son Todd Obsidian is also a character with SOOO much potential. He's always been a dark and pessimistic character. That's natural when you think about the fact that he sees the darkness in every soul around him. He get's to see what's the worst side of everyone, so of course for decades he was portrayed as a pessimist. He also get incredibly powerful when darkness or evil is at it's strongest. During for example the Underworld Unleashed for example when he could see everywhere and move anywhere. I always saw the perfect opportunity to develop this character as using his religious beliefs. he was always depicted as catholic. What if through his faith he accepted that his ability to see the darkness and draw on dark power could "serve" his god. If he saw himself as the perfect foil for evil, when it's strongest so is he. Not to mention that that would be a hero capable of facing the "most" powerful mystic enemy without having to come up with stupid reasons why he's not around or taken out quickly when facing normal foes (because he's just not that powerful then) Stargirl - a young kid learning from legends, idolizing them and their ideals, while actually already at a young age able to stand equally beside them Mr Terrific - beating everything on simple brains Liberty Belle (yes I'd like to see Jesse in that ID again)- Aside from her fathers super Speed and flight, her mothers Strength, agility endurance. She could be an A list character if she also got the sonic wave powers her mom had in ASS. Force fields and waves. Also the pressure of trying to live up to TWO hero legacies. Amazing man III was a great start to a character that never got a chance to play out. They wrote it as though his grandfather was a major player in equal rights as well as a hero. he saw himself as being an example to "his" people, also being there for things like rebuilding his city after Katrina. I could go on for quite a few more but you get the idea There are plenty more. But the biggest thing about the JSA that always drove it for me, was whether it was old farts or legacies carried on by their children grandkids etc. They are heroes who hold up ideals of a more idealistic and simple age. They hold to a higher standard. These are the guy's who would always do the right and patriotic thing. |
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 9, 2011 13:41:35 GMT -5
So much for the JSA.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 11, 2011 20:22:24 GMT -5
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 11, 2011 20:27:03 GMT -5
It is 6:25 pm here in the west Coast: California if that helps you.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 11, 2011 20:29:16 GMT -5
Fuck that, I'll be asleep within an hour or two.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 11, 2011 20:32:56 GMT -5
well in NYC it would be 3 hours later so 9 pm.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 11, 2011 20:34:06 GMT -5
Might stay up for that then. Can someone confirm this...fuck it. I'll check the net.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 11, 2011 20:34:34 GMT -5
Yeah. 9pm in New York.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 12, 2011 1:04:35 GMT -5
Yeah looks that way, specially with Supes now the 1st hero again |
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Jun 12, 2011 3:23:12 GMT -5
Didio has confirmed that they wont use JSA for a while.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 12, 2011 3:29:34 GMT -5
Well... This is gonna suck.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 12, 2011 4:22:58 GMT -5
Didio has confirmed that they wont use JSA for a while. I hope that doesn't mean a complete drop off the radar of ALL JSAers (past and present ). Spectre and Dr Fate I would like to think can still be around. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 12, 2011 5:45:16 GMT -5
If Johns persists on his asinine treatment of the Spectre, I'd rather Spec gets a break, too. But since Johns' GL mythos will seemingly remain intact, and the Spectre has had crucial appearances there, I doubt he'll simply vanish. Fate seems like a longshot, though.
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 12, 2011 5:58:36 GMT -5
OK, so two points of interest:
- Geoff and Jim Lee said the first storyarc of the JLA book (which has already been confirmed as being the origin of the group) will take place in the past, while the second will be in the present. That clears up things concerning the age of the characters.
- Morrison said he intends to show a side of Superman that has never been seen before, introduce established characters in unexpected ways, and that Morales and him are trying to create an entirely "new language" for comic book storytelling that only comic books and no other medium (not even films) can follow.
The latter sounds pretty exciting. The former is rather reassuring.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 12, 2011 7:50:52 GMT -5
OK, so two points of interest:
- Geoff and Jim Lee said the first storyarc of the JLA book (which has already been confirmed as being the origin of the group) will take place in the past, while the second will be in the present. That clears up things concerning the age of the characters.
- Morrison said he intends to show a side of Superman that has never been seen before, introduce established characters in unexpected ways, and that Morales and him are trying to create an entirely "new language" for comic book storytelling that only comic books and no other medium (not even films) can follow.
The latter sounds pretty exciting. The former is rather reassuring. |
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