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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 14:15:31 GMT -5
Most Knowledgeable MA'ers
What comic characters have the most martial arts training and over all wider MA knowledge. this isnt a skill fighting thread but a wide MA master threads like who holds the most black belts or knows various styles or some such.
Of course the Top of the List would be Champion of the Universe and Karate Kid barring how they actually fight in comics and face off against regularly.
Champion is suppose to know various of the universes Martial arts and same for Karate kid both having a plethora of styles learned.
I wanna say Gamora as well apparently having mastered over 80 % of many warfaring cultures as was stated on her criminal alien record.
so these guys and ladies are the pinnacle of MA knowledge who come beneath them?
I wanna Say Mr. X having mastered the majority of Worlds MA and building his own Shiar and Kree fighting style although i am not sure how the hell he could have come across that knowledge.
Wolverine also has a similar claim as mastering the majority of the worlds MA and having learned, trained with gods, aliens, alley brawlers from earth to across the universe.
i also like to rank them from the most known styles to the least and also what are the styles that they know or how many are they suppose to know
Top Bracket of having Earth and Alien mastery
Champion
Karate Kid
Gamora
Death Head 2
Mister X
Wolverine
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jun 2, 2011 14:16:44 GMT -5
DC:
Richard Dragon
Sensei
Lady Shiva
Cassandra Cain
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Post by Admin on Jun 2, 2011 14:17:45 GMT -5
Prowler: Green belt in Tae Kwon Do.
/thread
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 14:19:07 GMT -5
Taskmaster also deserves a nod since we're discussing sheer MA mastery and knowledge.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:02:07 GMT -5
Top Bracket of having Earth and Alien mastery
Champion
Karate Kid
Gamora
Death Head 2
Mister X
Wolverine
Lady Shiva
Batman
Ogun
Stick
Psylocke
Sensei
Taskmaster
Cassandra Cain
Ironfist
Shang Chi
Steel Serpent
Fat Cobra
Moon Dragon
Nightwing
Shingen
Captain America
Shadow Cat
Red Robin
Damian
Deathstroke
Deadpool
Silver Samurai
Daredevil
Black Cat
Bullseye
Bucky
Moon knight
Punisher
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Post by Admin on Jun 2, 2011 16:12:40 GMT -5
"Nightwing
Captain America
Red Robin
Damian"
Captain America (Rogers) > all of those in terms of skill/knowledge. Sure, they all trained under Bruce and what have you, but Cap is still more skilled and it's reflected both on paper on in bios.
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:22:10 GMT -5
I'd love to hear what makes Shadowcat so good and the feats she has to prove it.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:28:24 GMT -5
I'd love to hear what makes Shadowcat so good and the feats she has to prove it. Kitty Kat was downloaded with Ogun's life time of knowledge during a mystic trans state where she studied a life time as his student in under a few minutes plus having been taught various styles by wolverine as well.. reminds me to add Psylocke at second high bracket "Nightwing Captain America Red Robin Damian" Captain America (Rogers) > all of those in terms of skill/knowledge. Sure, they all trained under Bruce and what have you, but Cap is still more skilled and it's reflected both on paper on in bios. well, on skill sure Cap is tops however i like to go with pure knowledge and what has bn stated or shown plus Cap's "skills" are heavily reliant on his enhancements not so much knowledge and training, Black Panther has even criticized his style. if you have evidence that he is or knows or mastered the styles as above i will bump him >_> |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:36:15 GMT -5
You sure you don't mean Ogun? Shingen made a brief return in "Logan Dies" but Kitty never appeared there and he never had that skill, which sounds exactly like Ogun's MO, from Kitty Pryde and Wolverine.
Also, for all that vaunted knowledge, she still lost to Silver Samurai who is supposed to be 3 brackets below. Yes, killing him was a ruse, but the fight was straight and she lost.
And having mastered none.
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Post by Admin on Jun 2, 2011 16:39:56 GMT -5
"reminds me to add Psylocke at second high bracket"
No way.
"Black Panther has even criticized his style."
During a training session and it's hardly like T'Challa isn't extremely skilled, either. As for evidence, how about every bio, handbook entry, as well as on panel remarks?
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:41:12 GMT -5
You sure you don't mean Ogun? Shingen made a brief return in "Logan Dies" but Kitty never appeared there and he never had that skill, which sounds exactly like Ogun's MO, from Kitty Pryde and Wolverine.
Also, for all that vaunted knowledge, she still lost to Silver Samurai who is supposed to be 3 brackets below. Yes, killing him was a ruse, but the fight was straight and she lost. And having mastered none. damn, you are right i didnt notice it. i kept typing Shingen instead of Ogun. i am going senile. but this i a straight MA knowledge and not Ma application. since there are grand masters who can teach but cant save themselves from a mugging. i will scratch out shingens name and put Ogun no wonder it kept looking strange to me |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:44:13 GMT -5
I love Ogun, he's a great master but to his own admission he has only mastered 13 forms (hardly overwhelming in comparison to others here) as well as having crafted his own form, and since it's sheer MA knowledge I don't believe he ranks so high.
Also, Kitty's training with Logan during that mini purged her of Ogun's shadow self so she does not have his knowledge anymore, either. She said it herself when she fought Ogun during # 5.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:47:16 GMT -5
"reminds me to add Psylocke at second high bracket" No way. "Black Panther has even criticized his style." During a training session and it's hardly like T'Challa isn't extremely skilled, either. As for evidence, how about every bio, handbook entry, as well as on panel remarks? Psylocke also underwent the Ogun training while part of the exiles. T'challa said Cap style was basic iirc and that it could only work for cap due to his superhuman stats giving him the attributes needed to pull them off.. Cap is a level 6 fighter in bio's and yes he has trained and has knowledge of various styles but he is not a master cause it. at best if i were to move him would be in the same bracket as Taskmaster who also isnt a MA's master as he only knows mishmash attacks of various styles. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:48:50 GMT -5
Iron Fist was the guy who said his fighting style was basic but his speed/strength were incredible, not T'Challa.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:49:12 GMT -5
I love Ogun, he's a great master but to his own admission he has only mastered 13 forms (hardly overwhelming in comparison to others here) as well as having crafted his own form, and since it's sheer MA knowledge I don't believe he ranks so high.
Also, Kitty's training with Logan during that mini purged her of Ogun's shadow self so she does not have his knowledge anymore, either. She said it herself when she fought Ogun during # 5. i recall him saying he has mastered many styles and his admission of the 13 styles was that he said he mastered 13 styles that our now forgotten and lost in time iirc.. not sure if those styles were the bases of the various modern styles. do you have the issue where he stated this? |
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 16:50:31 GMT -5
Iron Fist was the guy who said his fighting style was basic but his speed/strength were incredible, not T'Challa. T'challa said it too.  |
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Post by Admin on Jun 2, 2011 16:51:23 GMT -5
"Psylocke also underwent the Ogun training while part of the exiles."
And what does she have to show for it...? If you're going to take points away from Cap for being enhanced, I imagine anything involving her TP/TK shouldn't count, therefore she's left with...Well, nothing ranking her among the best. that's for sure.
"T'challa said Cap style was basic iirc and that it could only work for cap due to his superhuman stats giving him the attributes needed to pull them off.."
Rogers also made an offhand remark saying that an actual fight between the two would be different.
"Cap is a level 6 fighter in bio's and yes he has trained and has knowledge of various styles but he is not a master cause it."
He was a 7 but was downgraded to 6.
"at best if i were to move him would be in the same bracket as Taskmaster who also isnt a MA's master as he only knows mishmash attacks of various styles."
I still don't see how Drake and Damian should be up there with Cap at all.
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:54:01 GMT -5
I love Ogun, he's a great master but to his own admission he has only mastered 13 forms (hardly overwhelming in comparison to others here) as well as having crafted his own form, and since it's sheer MA knowledge I don't believe he ranks so high.
Also, Kitty's training with Logan during that mini purged her of Ogun's shadow self so she does not have his knowledge anymore, either. She said it herself when she fought Ogun during # 5. i recall him saying he has mastered many styles and his admission of the 13 styles was that he said he mastered 13 styles that our now forgotten and lost in time iirc.. not sure if those styles were the bases of the various modern styles. do you have the issue where he stated this?  And here's Kitty saying Ogun's training has faded, Kitty Pryde and Wolverine # 5. |
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Post by Morpheus on Jun 2, 2011 16:56:09 GMT -5
Iron Fist was the guy who said his fighting style was basic but his speed/strength were incredible, not T'Challa. T'challa said it too. |
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Post by Lunacyde Prime on Jun 2, 2011 17:03:25 GMT -5
Lady Shiva
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