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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 21, 2012 22:43:34 GMT -5
Team DC
Bane - Unarmed
Batman - Smoke pelts, Batarngs and grapple gun
Green Arrow - Bow and Arrows (Unlimited but will need to reload)
Harley Quinn - Giant Hammer
Nightwing - Standard equipment
Vs.
Bullseye has 25 ninja stars and playing cards (1 deck(can not be given to Gambit))
Black Widow has standard equipment
Toad - Umarmed
Daredevil has to Batons
Gambit only has staff, NO! Death persona
Team Marvel
Rules
Team DC or pre-Flashpoint
Morals on
Random Encounter
enemies that are on the same team will not try to kill kill each other
Win via KO, or Death Only
Location New York City, Unpopulated, 100 feet apart
Who wins and WHY?
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Post by Admin on Feb 21, 2012 22:53:04 GMT -5
Interesting. Just glancing by the names once makes me prone to support DC, but that can be changed... you know, when I actually take time to think about this more.
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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 21, 2012 23:11:11 GMT -5
Good, I hoped this match would be a bit of a brain teaser!
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Beatboks
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 22, 2012 2:27:00 GMT -5
The combination of Bane, Bats, Nightwing and GA ( after Natas training) has a distinct advantage in close quarters due to overall better H2H skills. With only Ollie Marvel has the distance advantage. Will come down to how quickly hey close the gap.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Feb 22, 2012 5:06:12 GMT -5
Bullseye kills Green Arrow and Harley Quinn from the outset. His aim is far in excess of their dodging skills. This makes it a 3v5. Toad's tongue, spit, and agility could keep Bane at bay while Bullseye takes him down. The rest should easily be able to fight Batman and Nightwing if they can separate them. Gambit has superhuman agility/reflexes and has the fighting skills to go with it on top of whatever improvised explosives he decides to make, he can definitely keep Grayson busy. Black Widow and Daredevil have fought alongside each other many times and are both relatively good fighters and should keep Batman busy. Eventually even the Dynamic Duo fall to 2v5.
Bullseye is just too good a marksman here with no real match.
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Beatboks
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Post by Beatboks on Feb 22, 2012 10:50:48 GMT -5
Bullseye kills Green Arrow and Harley Quinn from the outset. His aim is far in excess of their dodging skills. This makes it a 3v5. Bullseye is just too good a marksman here with no real match.  Ollies accuracy feats match Bullseyes. he's shot Bullets out of the air with Arrows for F#$% sake. he was targeted by a sniper on the 10th floor fire escape early on in the Grell run and fired an Arrow that hit the snipers gun site knocking the but of his riffle into his chin and KOing him. WTF would ollie dodge instead of shoot down the projectile. Also if that's the case it wont be 5 to 3 because even if Ollie get's hit with a second projectile the force of a 5 gram throwing star (thrown at maybe 140 to 150 km/hr) isn't going to do much to stop a 30 gram arrow shaft fired from a 100lb compound arrow. The arrow will take out the thrower behind it. Bullseye wont dodge that either. |
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Feb 22, 2012 17:01:46 GMT -5
Green Arrow has killed someone from a hundred yards away with a toothpick through a glass window? I don't think so, Bullseye has some pretty ridiculous feats. Like using a hub cap to blow up a taxi. Bullseye as I said, has feats far in excess of Green Arrow.
Green Arrow has shot bullets out of the air by watching for where the gun is aimed. He can't do the same with Bullseye who will be throwing things on far from linear paths. Throwing stars spin and much like a baseball, can be curved. On top of curving, he can also ricochet them off walls or even the ground. He is ambidextrous and as such can throw two stars on curving arcs that will ricochet off of things and come at Green Arrow from two directions. Green Arrow is good but he is not that good. Shooting his curving projectiles out the air won't be nearly as easy when the only way in which he can predict where they will come from are his hands.
Also, regardless of the actual physics behind Bullseye's projectiles he has still managed to turn seeming 'light' objects into lethal weapons capable of improbably high force. Bullseye won't dodge the arrow, he'll catch it and return it to Harley Quinn, in the face.
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Post by jakefury on Feb 22, 2012 20:36:16 GMT -5
Can Gambit use random objects he finds on the street?
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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 22, 2012 22:30:18 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Feb 23, 2012 1:15:22 GMT -5
Marvel Wins since it wasnt stated that Gambit couldnt use his Death persona =)
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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 23, 2012 1:55:40 GMT -5
LOL!
Going to edit the OP right now
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Feb 23, 2012 12:38:51 GMT -5
Nooooo!!!!!!Now my statement is wrong!
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Post by Power NeXus on Feb 23, 2012 22:19:09 GMT -5
Exalt, for somebody other than me actually using Toad in a battle.
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Post by Admin on Feb 23, 2012 22:20:41 GMT -5
I love Lester, but talk about insane over-hyping of him, especially when his gear is so limited.
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Post by Power NeXus on Feb 23, 2012 22:28:38 GMT -5
Green Arrow has killed someone from a hundred yards away with a toothpick through a glass window? I don't think so, Bullseye has some pretty ridiculous feats. Like using a hub cap to blow up a taxi. Bullseye as I said, has feats far in excess of Green Arrow. Green Arrow has shot bullets out of the air by watching for where the gun is aimed. He can't do the same with Bullseye who will be throwing things on far from linear paths. Throwing stars spin and much like a baseball, can be curved. On top of curving, he can also ricochet them off walls or even the ground. He is ambidextrous and as such can throw two stars on curving arcs that will ricochet off of things and come at Green Arrow from two directions. Green Arrow is good but he is not that good. Shooting his curving projectiles out the air won't be nearly as easy when the only way in which he can predict where they will come from are his hands. Also, regardless of the actual physics behind Bullseye's projectiles he has still managed to turn seeming 'light' objects into lethal weapons capable of improbably high force. Bullseye won't dodge the arrow, he'll catch it and return it to Harley Quinn, in the face. Accuracy feats are difficult to debate over when it comes to characters like these. Unlike a lot of other traits that can be compared between characters (speed, strength, h2h skill, etc), there is a limit to how high one's accuracy level can be. Both Bullseye and Ollie are basically at the level where they can't get any more accurate. They both have, for all intents and purposes, flawless aim. In battles like these, I simply choose to assume they are equals in terms of accuracy. Using individual feats to try to contest that is just splitting hairs. It's true that the objects Bullseye likes to throw are not exactly like bullets. They can curve and ricochet and whatnot. But they're also slower than bullets are. I wouldn't consider shooting a bullet out of the air any less impressive than shooting one of Bullseye's throwing stars out of the air. They've got some curve, but they are larger targets and they don't travel as quickly. |
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Feb 24, 2012 0:06:51 GMT -5
FTR the toothpick feat from Bullseye is impossible physically.Shurikens do not ricochet.The way they are made makes this physically impossible as well.
Also comparing a shuriken with a baseball in curving isnt the best way to get your point across.If you didnt notice baseballs get hit 3 times out of 10.Anyone in comics has better reflexes then this and should be able to do much better.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Feb 24, 2012 5:08:06 GMT -5
I used a baseball because Lester was a baseball player before becoming Bullseye. It should be noted that Bullseye threw three consecutive no hitters before getting bored and killing the hitter with his last pitch. Bullseye blew up a taxi with a hubcap, you think making a ninja star ricochet will be any problem? He is kept on stool softeners to keep him from weaponizing his poop!
I am not really overhyping him, Bullseye is one of the most accurate human beings in comics. His feats are ridiculously higher than most marksmen. I would say things like the Toothpick Feat show that he is possibly Superhumanly Accurate. If Karnak where as accurate as Bullseye, he could replicate that feat using his weakness detection. Bullseye has the feats, the know how, and the killer instinct to put Ollie down.
Ollie, like most street levelers, looks at where the gun is aimed and then either dodges or fires his arrows to correlate. How many times has he put arrows into an opposing gunmen's barrel? He tried it on the Red Hood but he was ready for it. I'd like to see a feat of him shooting a thrown object out of the air where he has no overt indication of where the person is going to put that object. I have read a lot of Green Arrow and I have not seen anything that puts him on Bullseye's level.
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Post by Admin on Feb 24, 2012 7:32:52 GMT -5
You do realize he's used a tooth pick more than once, and neither time it proved as powerful as the example Kevin Smith wrote, right?
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Post by Prophet626 on Feb 25, 2012 0:26:00 GMT -5
Does anyone have that scan of Bullseye looking at a safe, then flicks a marble at it which then opens the safe!?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 26, 2012 15:37:26 GMT -5
Exalt, for somebody other than me actually using Toad in a battle. that's cause toad sucks *baiting* I think marvel can take it. |
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