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Post by Erik-El on Aug 31, 2011 12:55:22 GMT -5
I am stickying this thread since it links to all the others in the OP. Creator, please update this thread when you launch a new power grid sir!
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Post by creator on Aug 31, 2011 13:36:33 GMT -5
I am stickying this thread since it links to all the others in the OP. Creator, please update this thread when you launch a new power grid sir! Thanks Eric and yes I will.
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Post by creator on Sept 3, 2011 17:33:30 GMT -5
Mystical Influence grid for discussion, prior to launch in case it needs fine tuning. So please comment. The chart will operate in the same manner as the Energy Manipulation grid, in that it has 3 columns. The first two will each be rated and then the combined score averaged. Then this score will be added to the rating for the final column and again averaged to give the overall mystic influence rating. The columns are detailed as follows, Energy Source: This identifies how the magic user empowers their spells. So they could draw on external beings (the caster entreats an entity) to power their spells or perhaps they generate power internally or maybe they do both. The nature of the power the mage draws on may be limited, like on drawing on light magic or dark magic (or law or chaos). The level of energy that can be drawn on is ranked comparably to other grids i.e. energy level 25 equates to Strength rank 25 or energy emission / manipulation rank 25. Adeptness: Adeptness deals with 2 key aspects. Firstly the understanding the mage has of the nature of magic. Secondly the ease with which the mage has in manipulating the magic. Power Simulation: The rank that the mage can employ spells at. So for instance they could cast a spell that duplicated energy manipulation or any other power at the same rank. Hope that makes some sense. Finally thanks to Beatboks for helping me work through this grid as pulling together all the main aspects for this grid were difficult. Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/3225754/thumbnailer/Q7W9eHfZn3qaNnC07jAN.jpg)
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 4, 2011 4:24:36 GMT -5
Looks all good to me Creator. as we discussed. Just want to point out to others where these columns come from and why so people can understand the significance
Power source can be real telling in the power level of a Mage. The more powerful Mystics draw on power from many sources (or vastly powerful ones) and have less limiting factors to the amount they can draw ( Phantom Stranger- Presence and after 87 mini all mankind's faith, Spectre from all magic and presence, Dr Fate from Lords of Order and Chaos (through amulet of Anubis) and human spirit love (Straus Fate, Neslon's merged fate) and human spirit (Inza fate at end of run), Dr Strange (classic)all sources courtesy of Eye of Agamotto.
Adeptness plays an important part because some mystics can make up for a lack of power source with their creativity and use of power. John Constantine would be the perfect example, the original Sargon another one (to lesser degree)
Power Simulation is pretty self explanatory, but I want to point out why it's not enough on it's own.
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Post by creator on Sept 4, 2011 15:48:01 GMT -5
Looks all good to me Creator. as we discussed. Just want to point out to others where these columns come from and why so people can understand the significance Power source can be real telling in the power level of a Mage. The more powerful Mystics draw on power from many sources (or vastly powerful ones) and have less limiting factors to the amount they can draw ( Phantom Stranger- Presence and after 87 mini all mankind's faith, Spectre from all magic and presence, Dr Fate from Lords of Order and Chaos (through amulet of Anubis) and human spirit love (Straus Fate, Neslon's merged fate) and human spirit (Inza fate at end of run), Dr Strange (classic)all sources courtesy of Eye of Agamotto. Adeptness plays an important part because some mystics can make up for a lack of power source with their creativity and use of power. John Constantine would be the perfect example, the original Sargon another one (to lesser degree) Power Simulation is pretty self explanatory, but I want to point out why it's not enough on it's own. Beatboks, thanks again for the help.
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Post by creator on Sept 6, 2011 17:58:26 GMT -5
Ok. As I am on holiday in Wales without a true network connection to the Internet, I will be creating the Mystic Influence power grid this Sunday coming. In preparation for this, could I ask anyone interested in helping to create a list of mystical/magic using characters for review and ranking. We should be looking to capture all the headliners from Marvel and DC but we should also make sure we capture the full spectrum of character power levels, ranging from the mighty Spectre to the lowly John Constantine.
I took the liberty of trying to get most of the names for magic using characters listed below as a head start. Have a look and see if I missed anyone or if there are named individuals that should not be on the list. The top section is DC, while the lower one is Marvel.
Amethyst Anton Arcane Ares (DC) Arion Asmodel Atlan Blaze Bloodwynd Blue Devil Circe John Constantine Deimos Demons Three Doctor Fate Doctor Mist Doctor Occult Eclipso Enchantress Etrigan Felix Faust Sebastian Faust Great Evil Beast Highfather Timothy Hunter Ibis the Invincible Jinx Ian Karkull Karmang Rama Khan Kid Eternity Klarion the Witch Boy Kulak Lords of Order / Chaos Lucifer Madame Xanadu Madame Zodiac Manitou Dawn Manitou Merlin the Magician Lyta Milton Mordru Morgaine le Fey Morpheus Nekron Neron Phantom Stranger Prescence Raven Sargon the Sorcerer Satanus Shazam Spectre Spellbinder Jakeem Thunder Trigon White Magician White Witch Witchfire Wotan Zauriel Zatanna Zatara Zealot Zeus (DC)
Adversary Agamotto Amatsu-Mikaboshi Ancient One Arcanna Asmodeus Azazel Belasco Brother Voodoo Chondu the Mystic Chthon Clea Cyttorak Dakimh the Enchanter Diablo Dire Wraith Doctor Doom Dormammu Doctor Druid Dragon of the Moon Dreamqueen Enchantress Feron Forge Gaea Kulan Gath Agatha Harkness Hybrid Jennifer Kale Kaluu Karnilla Master Khan Krugarr Lilith Llan the Sorcerer Loki Lunatik Magik Magnus the Sorcerer Malekith the Accursed Master Pandemonium Mephisto Merlin Merlyn Mister Jip Modred the Mystic Morgan le Fay Baron Mordo Naga Necrom Nekra Nemesis Nightmare Odin (Marvel) Pestilence Rintrah Roma Satana Satannish Saul Scarlet Witch Nicholas Scratch Amanda Sefton Selene Set Shaman Shuma-Gorath Sise-Neg Sligguth Spiral Doctor Strange Stygyro Surtur Talisman Talon Urthona Wiccan Witchfire Zaladane Zarathos Zeus (Marvel) Zom
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 6, 2011 18:54:18 GMT -5
A few others
Calculha (father of Arion) Garn Daanuth ( evil brother and enemy of Arion) Dark Majestra (mother of Arion and Garn) Alan Scot (the starheart being magic) Obsidian ( through both Starheart and the shadow realms like Karkul) Zor (enemy and bane of GA Spectre) Totec (lord of Chaos) though I notice your listing the LOO/LOC as one Y'nar ( renegade Lord of Order) Vandeamon (renegade lord of Chaos) Nabu (should be listed thrice - original human form, energy state and possessing the former body of Kent Nelson, different limitations in source ability for each) Shat'ru (twice like Nabu energy form Kent body) Khalis (enemy of Dr Fate servant of Osiris)
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Post by creator on Sept 7, 2011 3:22:44 GMT -5
A few others Calculha (father of Arion) Garn Daanuth ( evil brother and enemy of Arion) Dark Majestra (mother of Arion and Garn) Alan Scot (the starheart being magic) Obsidian ( through both Starheart and the shadow realms like Karkul) Zor (enemy and bane of GA Spectre) Totec (lord of Chaos) though I notice your listing the LOO/LOC as one Y'nar ( renegade Lord of Order) Vandeamon (renegade lord of Chaos) Nabu (should be listed thrice - original human form, energy state and possessing the former body of Kent Nelson, different limitations in source ability for each) Shat'ru (twice like Nabu energy form Kent body) Khalis (enemy of Dr Fate servant of Osiris) Daimon Hellstrom Thanks Beatboks. I knew being trapped on a hill in Wales with only my IPad would make this task daunting ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 7, 2011 7:59:23 GMT -5
Amanda Sefton Sara Pezzini Jaina Proudmore Balera Spellcaster Lady Death Castapella Sif Ursula Lorelei (Marvel) Lorelei (of Fairyland - DC) Silver Sorceress The Sorceress (He-Man)
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Post by Strafe Prower on Sept 9, 2011 1:20:35 GMT -5
Here are some that popped in my mind.
DC Silver Banshee (Her powers are magic based) Jeannette (Same) Black Alice (Copies Magical powers) Fauna (Felix Faust's daughter)
Marvel Pixie (She knows a little magic IIRC) Dragon Lord
These might not be big names, but I figured I would mention them.
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Post by Erik-El on Sept 9, 2011 1:23:08 GMT -5
As far as I can remember, Pixie only knows how to use magic to teleport. But it has been a while since I read any issue that featured her.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Sept 9, 2011 3:39:48 GMT -5
Pixie is not very adept in the use of her magic but she is powerful having a magical ancestry and a soul dagger capable of cutting through magic spells and apparently blinding people. Her teleportation is capable of interdimensional and intraplanetary transport. I would rank her moderately high on the power source and power simulation but very low on the adeptness.
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Post by Beatboks on Sept 9, 2011 7:26:10 GMT -5
Tempest (Garth) Grey Man Andrew Bennet Mixyezpitelik Kismet Sister Sentry Unity Child Chaon Kestrel The Weaver Typhon Mr Keeper
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Post by creator on Sept 9, 2011 10:16:22 GMT -5
Here are some that popped in my mind. DC Silver Banshee (Her powers are magic based) Jeannette (Same) Black Alice (Copies Magical powers) Fauna (Felix Faust's daughter) Marvel Pixie (She knows a little magic IIRC) Dragon Lord These might not be big names, but I figured I would mention them. Strafe, thanks for the extra names.
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Post by creator on Sept 9, 2011 10:24:36 GMT -5
Pixie is not very adept in the use of her magic but she is powerful having a magical ancestry and a soul dagger capable of cutting through magic spells and apparently blinding people. Her teleportation is capable of interdimensional and intraplanetary transport. I would rank her moderately high on the power source and power simulation but very low on the adeptness. That seems reasonable. Lets bear this in mind when we start ranking some of these people.
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Post by creator on Sept 9, 2011 10:32:23 GMT -5
Tempest (Garth) Grey Man Andrew Bennet Mixyezpitelik Kismet Sister Sentry Unity Child Chaon Kestrel The Weaver Typhon Mr Keeper Beatboks, keep them coming.
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Post by creator on Sept 9, 2011 10:52:52 GMT -5
There is also The Doctor (Wildstorm)
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Post by Matezoide on Sept 17, 2011 19:00:27 GMT -5
I will stop being lazy and give ,at least,some help to you,Creator and Beatboks.
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Post by Power NeXus on Sept 17, 2011 20:49:10 GMT -5
I am interested to see the agility chart
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Post by creator on Sept 19, 2011 11:36:40 GMT -5
I am interested to see the agility chart I am debating using that chart due to the complications of ranking it. Instead it might be easier to rely on the Reaction Speed chart (which is almost finished now). But what are your thoughts ?
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