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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 2, 2011 3:38:55 GMT -5
Btw, could we put spider-man at 9? It is stated that he is a 10 toner, but his feats suggest that he is well above that. He has shown the strength to lift a train, armor trucks ( i think these stuff usually weighs 27 tons ), tanks and other stuff.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 2, 2011 3:53:41 GMT -5
Hulk should be either 24 or 25 maybe. His higher end feats were the old stuff. I cannot really remember any extreme feats recently other than pulling tectonic plates together. Impressive indeed but tectonic plates are floating on magma. So that does need to be considered when weighing the feat. It might be the Thor fan boy in me, but there is NO WAY Hulk is Above the god of thunder in strength class - I'll argue that vehemently to beyond death A 23 ABSOLUTE top's (OR move Thor up )
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 2, 2011 5:29:53 GMT -5
Hourman (Rex Tyler) Rank 6. All his GA appearances stated he was "strength of ten men" peak feat lifting a car. I've seen nothing to suggest that Rick is any higher.
Atom (Al Prat- post 48 when his "atomic" strength kicked in) Rank 10 - While most of his lift feats would be around the 25 tonne range. His battle with Nuklon in Infinity Inc 8 (or 9) would put him around a 35 to 40 tonner IMO. pre the Atomic strength 4.
Citizen Steel rank 13 with suit, rank 16 without
Wildcat - 4 (some PIS showings aside)
Liberty Belle/ Jesse Quick (with her mother's "matra" in play) 7
Powergirl 20 or 21
Arn Munro 9
Dr fate (as in Golden Age half helmet version without Nabu's powers) - 19, though his feats in the GA would have only had him as a 15 or 16 his retconned feats certainly lift him to that level. Just below a 41 level Superman (mid shift in power, where he hadn't quite gotten to the levels of Captain Marvel)
Robotman (Robert Crane) - 9
Robotman (Cliff Steele) - 11
Commander Steele - 9
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 2, 2011 5:51:33 GMT -5
Should we just say Post-Crisis Kryptonians are level = ? Might be easier. And the ones that are stronger we'll name. Unless it's SA Kryptonians, then we'll just say that and their number ranking. That way, we won't have a large name list.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 6:52:22 GMT -5
If you need help wirth the numbers let me know. That sounds like a pretty significant feat. I'll compile the liostings so far tonight. OK working on the assumption that in rush hour there would be a car every 5 meters witch would make about 640 cars per lane. average mass for a car around 3 tonne (i believe). So if my mat's right that around 3840 tonnes (in traffic). Since there would have to be a little more to allow for laden trucks etc lets say 4000. I'm going to add about 800 tonnes for the bridge since it's about a mile longer than the Golden Gate. So I'd guess around 5000 tonnes in TK feat. So I guess Dark nebula is either 17 or 18 (depending on whether the weights Creator lists per rank are the peak or start. The weioght of the cars might be a little high ( 1 would say 2 tonnes) but the weight of the trucks balance this out. The weight of the golden gate bridge (at 1.2 miles long) and not counting anchor supports etc is 420,000 tonnes. So overall I would say that abridge of similar cross sectional area to the Golden Gate but 2.2 miles long, with cars would weight in around 800,000 tonnes. That puts is squarely in to Rank 18 (above 500,000 but lower than 2.5 M)
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 2, 2011 11:26:23 GMT -5
Btw, could we put spider-man at 9? It is stated that he is a 10 toner, but his feats suggest that he is well above that. He has shown the strength to lift a train, armor trucks ( i think these stuff usually weighs 27 tons ), tanks and other stuff.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:01:29 GMT -5
Btw, could we put spider-man at 9? It is stated that he is a 10 toner, but his feats suggest that he is well above that. He has shown the strength to lift a train, armor trucks ( i think these stuff usually weighs 27 tons ), tanks and other stuff. It depends upon the train he lifted. For instance a subway car is less than 10 tonnes and so are some armoured security trucks. If you have a specific instance lets look at it and re-evaluate the figure.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:07:57 GMT -5
Black Lightning's rank should be 3 or 4. He is a olympic gold medalist and lifts weights regularly, but to what degree I'm not sure. Geo-Force should be on par with WW. He has sent Eradicator flying with a punch, Broke a rookie Kyle's shield with a punch, beat The Olympian (WW's equal in strength) in physical combat, etc. I'll put Black Lightning at a rating for 3 for now unless anyone objects. I was always under the impression that Geo-Force could increase his strength to significant levels but he was always behind that of WW or Superman. Have we got any feats for him at all ?
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:12:11 GMT -5
It might be the Thor fan boy in me, but there is NO WAY Hulk is Above the god of thunder in strength class - I'll argue that vehemently to beyond death A 23 ABSOLUTE top's (OR move Thor up ) What are the best Thor strength feats ? Is there one beyond the lifting of the Midgard Serpent ? Do we have more evidence to move up the weight of the Midgard Serpent ?
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:23:56 GMT -5
Hourman (Rex Tyler) Rank 6. All his GA appearances stated he was "strength of ten men" peak feat lifting a car. I've seen nothing to suggest that Rick is any higher. Atom (Al Prat- post 48 when his "atomic" strength kicked in) Rank 10 - While most of his lift feats would be around the 25 tonne range. His battle with Nuklon in Infinity Inc 8 (or 9) would put him around a 35 to 40 tonner IMO. pre the Atomic strength 4. Citizen Steel rank 13 with suit, rank 16 without Wildcat - 4 (some PIS showings aside) Liberty Belle/ Jesse Quick (with her mother's "matra" in play) 7 Powergirl 20 or 21 Arn Munro 9 Dr fate (as in Golden Age half helmet version without Nabu's powers) - 19, though his feats in the GA would have only had him as a 15 or 16 his retconned feats certainly lift him to that level. Just below a 41 level Superman (mid shift in power, where he hadn't quite gotten to the levels of Captain Marvel) Robotman (Robert Crane) - 9 Robotman (Cliff Steele) - 11 Commander Steele - 9 Seeing some of the feats that Powergirl has demonstrated in the 90's and more recently in her comic, I would be tempted to raise her up to around rank 23 at least. I had an impression that Hourman was of a similar strength level to Commander Steel and Robotman (Crane) but slightly inferior ?
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:28:12 GMT -5
Should we just say Post-Crisis Kryptonians are level = ? Might be easier. And the ones that are stronger we'll name. Unless it's SA Kryptonians, then we'll just say that and their number ranking. That way, we won't have a large name list. Seems like a good idea. I was thinking around rank 22 / 23 for them.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 12:36:52 GMT -5
Compiled List
Rank 1 Aunt May
Rank 2 Prof X
Rank 3 Black Lightning Cyclops
Rank 4 Atom (Al Pratt) Daredevil Iron Fist (unenhanced) Kingpin Wildcat
Rank 5 Archangel Bane (without Venom) Black Panther Cap America Iron Fist (enhanced) Wolverine
Rank 6 Bane (on Venom) Black Bolt (unenhanced) Hourman (Rex Tyler) Karnak Kraven Midnighter
Rank 7 Jessie Quick (with mantra) Liberty Belle (with mantra)
Rank 8 Spiderman Tombstone
Rank 9 American Eagle Arn Munro Commander Steel Lizard Luke Cage Puma Robotman (Crane) Scorpion (Gargan) Silvermane
Rank 10 Atom (Al Pratt, Atomic Strength) Rank 11 Robotman (Steel) Rank 12
Rank 13 Citizen Steel (with costume) Invincible
Rank 14
Rank 15
Rank 16 Citizen Steel (no costume) Rank 17 Hulk – Classic (calm) Thing Rank 18 Dark Nebula (TK) Rank 19 Dr Fate - GA
Rank 20
Rank 21
Rank 22 Kryptonians - PC (New Krypton) Rank 23 Powergirl Thor
Rank 24
Rank 25 Blue Marvel Hulk – WWH
Rank 26 Black Adam Capt Marvel (Batson) Despro Martian Manhunter Superman Wonder Woman
Rank 27 Superboy Prime Superman - PC
Rank 28 Superman - SA
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Rank 30 Eternity Living Tribunal
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 12:51:43 GMT -5
why is Bane on venom stronger than Cap or wolverine and midnighter in the same bracket with bane? i mean i havent kept up but if we are by pure strength feats these two have just an equal amount of strength and if we are going by one time adrenaline PIS feats DD has flipped a limo and Hawkeye has one arm lifted a car to get to his wife iirc.. i understand that Midnighter has his tank shell kick but that is clearly pis at the very least an ambiguous feat that could have just as likely been a skill feat and not strength something that a guy like Cho could replicate.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 13:00:47 GMT -5
why is Bane on venom stronger than Cap or bats and midnighter in the same bracket with bane? i mean i havent kept up but if we are by pure strength feats these two have just an equal amount of strength and if we are going by one time adrenaline PIS feats DD has flipped a limo and Hawkeye has one arm lifted a car to get to his wife iirc.. i understand that Midnighter has his tank shell kick but that is clearly pis at the very least an ambiguous feat that could have just as likely been a skill feat and not strength something that a guy like Cho could replicate. Bane on Venom is beyond peak human strength, being able to lift around 2 tonnes. If you go by feats, that is beyond Cap or Bats. We try to eliminate the PIS feats to go for a routinely used level of strength. Midnighter is an augmented human and has displayed low level superhuman strength. If you want to post info to support why others should be higher or lower please do. I welcome all discussion to populate the grids.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5
if you are referring to Cap as in Bucky he has a cybernetic arm not sure its strength lvl but it is clearly superhuman.. Steve Rogers is also superhuman and has average feats that put guys like Bane to shame from wrestling or manhandling 5 to 10 tonners which is PIS but no more than Midnighter. Wolverine and Steve are both augmented humans and one of them is a Mutant with adamantium, he alone is already above Bane with the displayed strength of crushing iron bars with his hands, steel/metal vertebrae with a simple grip.. throwing motorcycles with one arm, straining to hold a cargo elevator, ripping heads off with a kick, punching through skulls of werewolves. : / forgot to mention he hauled, carried a grand piano through a jungle for over a week. iirc even his bone version has one armed tossed a metal trash bin, carried the hulk to the X mansion. that alone makes him a 2 tonner if not damn close. www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=914i understand that these are just your personal views but it seems very skewed and wrong and i want to know what you are basing their status as even Rex Tyler seems like it is wrong along with many others like kraven what are you using to put them in a bracket where others are clearly their equal if not superior but are placed below them?
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 2, 2011 13:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 13:32:02 GMT -5
if you are referring to Cap as in Bucky he has a cybernetic arm not sure its strength lvl but it is clearly superhuman.. Steve Rogers is also superhuman and has average feats that put guys like Bane to shame from wrestling or manhandling 5 to 10 tonners which is PIS but no more than Midnighter. Wolverine and Steve are both augmented humans and one of them is a Mutant with adamantium, he alone is already above Bane with the displayed strength of crushing iron bars with his hands, steel/metal vertebrae with a simple grip.. throwing motorcycles with one arm, straining to hold a cargo elevator, ripping heads off with a kick, punching through skulls of werewolves. : / forgot to mention he hauled, carried a grand piano through a jungle for over a week. iirc even his bone version has one armed tossed a metal trash bin, carried the hulk to the X mansion. that alone makes him a 2 tonner if not damn close. s1d3.turboimagehost.com/sp/85521df32687d5e47f6ab22bae60eae0/DP_37_Oroboros_CPS_029.jpgi understand that these are just your personal views but it seems very skewed and wrong and i want to know what you are basing their status as even Rex Tyler seems like it is wrong along with many others like kraven what are you using to put them in a bracket where others are clearly their equal if not superior but are placed below them? When I say Capt America, I mean Rogers. The idea of this thread is not to push my ideas (which is why you may have noticed I have mostly stood back and let the others do the talking, only recording their thoughts). So these are not my personal views but a starting point for discussion based on Marvel's and DC's figures - hardly mine. This is why I said I welcome all discussion to populate the grids.
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Post by Khaos King on Jun 2, 2011 13:35:42 GMT -5
you might not be pushing your views and opinions but i already can see people thinking and using your grid as gospel for debating since i have already witness one of these opinion threads of characters being used as the site established setting for certain characters.
now i am curious to see where you place Deathstroke.
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Post by creator on Jun 2, 2011 15:18:15 GMT -5
you might not be pushing your views and opinions but i already can see people thinking and using your grid as gospel for debating since i have already witness one of these opinion threads of characters being used as the site established setting for certain characters. now i am curious to see where you place Deathstroke. The grids are meant to be impartial and represent the views of the majority. The grids are there to be used as references so that easier comparisons between characters can be made. I'm not placing Deathstroke anywhere - you will, if you choose to.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Jun 2, 2011 15:40:50 GMT -5
I see no reason why the grids can't be used as gospel. They represent a majority viewpoint based upon feats that have been observed which is the exact same thing that most battles come down to essentially.
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