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Post by Beatboks on Jun 3, 2011 7:23:46 GMT -5
I will look at these tonight and come back to you as Comicvine seems to be responding slowly. If your getting a response (slow or not), your doing better than I. I wanted to link a dozen or so scans I've already uploaded on CV to an argument on DC boards, all I get is "can't find server"
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jun 3, 2011 7:27:10 GMT -5
I will look at these tonight and come back to you as Comicvine seems to be responding slowly. If your getting a response (slow or not), your doing better than I. I wanted to link a dozen or so scans I've already uploaded on CV to an argument on DC boards, all I get is "can't find server" Playstation Store is back on, so they're buying or downloading free stuff now.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 3, 2011 7:50:48 GMT -5
I will look at these tonight and come back to you as Comicvine seems to be responding slowly. Cool. And thanks for updating Steve and Logan.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 3, 2011 7:53:56 GMT -5
That tank feat for Spidey may put him above a 10 tonner. Even the lightest modern tanks are above 10 tons in weight and that thing is definitely not a light tank. I would still like Creator to take a look at it but to me that definitely puts him above 10 tons. I would suggest that you go ahead and post the scans ckal, as this is supposed to be a Ledger project. A long time ago i was searching wikipedia to see the actual weight of a tank( i know it wikipedia can not be always trusted but still ) and i have learned that some really light tanks usually weigh like 40 tons...lol ;D
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 3, 2011 7:55:54 GMT -5
Shield (MLJ SA version- Bill Higgins son of Original GA) 6 without the Suit that acted as a catalyst for his power 10 with the suit
Jaguar (MLJ SA - Ralph Hardey) 20 . he had the strength of ALL animal "spirit". In some instances this included showing the strength of a herd of Mammoth and dinosaurs.
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Post by ckal on Jun 3, 2011 9:01:35 GMT -5
There is no pre wwh hulk (enraged) rank?
I would also like to know what kind of strength feats black Adam and captain marvel (batson) have because I have never seen any.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 3, 2011 9:24:31 GMT -5
There is no pre wwh hulk (enraged) rank? I would also like to know what kind of strength feats black Adam and captain marvel (batson) have because I have never seen any. His GA feats were level with the Superman of the late 40's (when he started to be amped to levels that were nearing the earliest SA levels. In fact it was the success of Whiz comics (often outselling Superman and having some issues go over 1 million copies) that made national increase Superman's powers. Modern levels (say from POS) catching and moving large asteroids, lifting and carrying Shuttles into space (these feats where while others of the "Marvel Family were powered- the more powered the less each ones power). Mary Marvel has picked up cars one handed on several occasions. To name a few.
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 10:43:02 GMT -5
That tank feat for Spidey may put him above a 10 tonner. Even the lightest modern tanks are above 10 tons in weight and that thing is definitely not a light tank. I would still like Creator to take a look at it but to me that definitely puts him above 10 tons. I would suggest that you go ahead and post the scans ckal, as this is supposed to be a Ledger project. A long time ago i was searching wikipedia to see the actual weight of a tank( i know it wikipedia can not be always trusted but still ) and i have learned that some really light tanks usually weigh like 40 tons...lol ;D 40 Tonnes!!!!!!! You get pick up a light tank (joke intended) for 14 tonnes and change
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 10:45:12 GMT -5
There is no pre wwh hulk (enraged) rank? I would also like to know what kind of strength feats black Adam and captain marvel (batson) have because I have never seen any. Can you clarify what pre WWH Hulk (enraged) is ? CA has equalled both Superman and Wonder Woman in combat (froma strength / speed / durability perspective). BA has done the same to CA.
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 10:47:43 GMT -5
Shield (MLJ SA version- Bill Higgins son of Original GA) 6 without the Suit that acted as a catalyst for his power 10 with the suit Jaguar (MLJ SA - Ralph Hardey) 20 . he had the strength of ALL animal "spirit". In some instances this included showing the strength of a herd of Mammoth and dinosaurs. I'll add them but does Jaguar have any feats ?
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 3, 2011 11:01:31 GMT -5
A long time ago i was searching wikipedia to see the actual weight of a tank( i know it wikipedia can not be always trusted but still ) and i have learned that some really light tanks usually weigh like 40 tons...lol ;D 40 Tonnes!!!!!!! You get pick up a light tank (joke intended) for 14 tonnes and change lol
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 11:25:28 GMT -5
Ok, I have done some homework on the armoured vans (Cash in Transit trucks). A similar truck to the one shown - specifically the 1997 International Navistar 4700 truck weighs in at 12900 lbs with a max payload of 12000 lbs. So that is 5.9 tonnes unloaded with an addiitional 5.7 tonnes (payload and 3 guards each at 200 lbs). As it is unlikely to have been fully laden, lets go at half the max payload with 3 drivers, giving us 3 tonnes. So total weight 5.9 +3 = 8.9 tonnes. He did have to catch the weight but he did grunt with the effort. So based on that image,, I would still leave him at 10 tonnes. The swecond image shows him lifting an Armoured Personnel Carrier. Comparing the size to various existing APCs, shows weights up around the 15 - 16 tonne mark. This would support Spidey moving up a band. One question, dis this feat occur when he was at his elevated strength level before the One More Day storyline (which reduced his strength again) ? The third image of him lifting atank does show the size of the tank is fairly small (seen when he picks it up - compare spiderman's height to the length of the track base). It seems only a 1 man vehicle. Looking at it's size, I looked at light tanks of similar size - around 3 times the length of Spiderman's less than 6' height. I found this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV101_ScorpionThis tank weighs in at 8 tonnes, so I think that a light tank can be 10 tonnes or less. So I would again say for this, that he stays at 10 tonnes. Tha last image shows Spidey holding up at least 1 train carriage. Doing some more homework, a carriage can weigh in between 20 - 48 tonnes. Even if we go with the low end version, this is way beyond 10 tonnes. So this would support his being lifted a rank. Overall I am inclined to lift him a rank, to rank 9. Anybody disagree ?
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 11:30:14 GMT -5
I understood Spider-Man's strength to be a max of 25 tons.
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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2011 11:33:23 GMT -5
Deathlok (Collins) can lift a maximum of 85 tons. Proof: (middle panel) 5th panel. It says 85+ because the enhancements allow for up to 150, but (as the above scan states) he's limited to 85 due to the limited amount of stress his muscles can withstand before suffering damage.
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 11:37:24 GMT -5
I understood Spider-Man's strength to be a max of 25 tons. He was always quoted at 10 tonnes in handbooks but was raised to 20 tonnes I think before 1 More day. Then subsequently downgraded to 10 tonnes. Howeber he does display feat that are beyond the 10 tonnes limit and right now, I am favouring the feats.
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 3, 2011 11:37:35 GMT -5
So if the inhibitors were removed, he could lift the theoretical 150 tons but seriously damage his organic musculature.
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Post by creator on Jun 3, 2011 11:38:39 GMT -5
Deathlok (Collins) can lift a maximum of 85 tons. Thanks for the Info K4tz. Nice to see you join the thread I could really use the help. Question: Shall we put him in at an actual 85 tonnes or shall we pitch him a rank or 2 below the thing if we believe the Think is at 100 tonnes, but shows feat that put him at tenns of thousands of tonnes + strength ?
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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2011 11:39:54 GMT -5
So if the inhibitors were removed, he could lift the theoretical 150 tons but seriously damage his organic musculature. Correct. No problem, Creator. I'll do my best.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 3, 2011 11:40:24 GMT -5
Thanks Creator. That post was pretty educational...lol As for your question, no, that feat happened way before his upgrade. it took place in Amazing Spider-man #320. Also, i would like to add something. It seems that the tank that Spidey lifted, weight less than 10 tons bot not by a large margin. But Peter did not seem to struggle lifting it. Actually he has done pretty easily. Something that makes me think that Pete can lift much more than 8 and even 10 tons. Btw, what do you believe about that scan creator? www.comicvine.com/myvine/spidey_15/all-images/108-352090/aspssupstre/105-1304920/
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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2011 11:41:48 GMT -5
When you're not busy with other characters, I'd love to have you calculate how strong you believe Brick is. I'll provide scans when you have time.
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