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Post by spidey_17 on Jun 17, 2011 11:32:49 GMT -5
Ah, i see.
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Post by creator on Jun 17, 2011 12:47:19 GMT -5
Just a random question, but is Ultimate Reed Richards evil? I haven't read much of the Ultimate universe, and was just wondering. His Wikia page features a pretty scary image of him. His IQ was around the 265 region.
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Post by creator on Jun 17, 2011 13:03:41 GMT -5
I believe anything above 140 is supposed to be genius level. 135 should be gifted/exceptionally intelligent.
True but 135 in mid teens (when most of us still learn around say 1/5 of what we will eventually know after) would equate to a very high IQ as an adult (unless said character is a teen) The basis of the IQ figure does not necessarily mean learned knowledge. The standard IQ tests employ pattern recognition and deduction, so they are not really testing knowledge. In the real world, a person in their mid teens would also not see a significant increase in their IQ with age (say in to their early 20's). I know because I took these tests when I was in my mid teens and as adult. In the case of Alice, having an extraordinarily high IQ does not also mean you will be the most gifted scientist / investigator / scholar. There are plenty of 'superminds' in the real world who don't drive them selves to make break throughs that 'lesser' IQ minds do.
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Post by Beatboks on Jun 17, 2011 15:53:32 GMT -5
Spider-Man's IQ isn't 250. Guggenheim is a hack. I KNEW it (the Hack part that is)
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jun 17, 2011 19:05:15 GMT -5
In the case of Alice, having an extraordinarily high IQ does not also mean you will be the most gifted scientist / investigator / scholar. There are plenty of 'superminds' in the real world who don't drive them selves to make break throughs that 'lesser' IQ minds do. My decision wasn't really based on her IQ level. That was just something that was mentioned in the series that I thought was semi-relevant to the question. Plus, I was genuinely interested in knowing how IQ related to the list. Like I said, most of her genius exploits came from her field in ghosty stuff, detective work, and tech. Everything in the story seemed to play up how smart she was. Adding a lil' more backstory to things, both her parents were these super smart people too. Her dad was a computer scientist, her mom was some super scientist too. She grew up the only kid in some whole scientisty place too, so as a kid she was constantly observing experiments and interacting with the people conducting them. I think it's also worth noting that the story takes place some time in the future, so the tech and things were definitely more advanced than things going on the world we live in. Standard stuff you'd see in most any sci-fi movie really. So she's well versed in a variety of fields to begin with. I'd definitely put her at genius level. Which is why I think at the very least a 10 is fitting based on the description of things in the chart.
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Post by Gender on Jun 19, 2011 0:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by creator on Jun 19, 2011 17:05:58 GMT -5
In the case of Alice, having an extraordinarily high IQ does not also mean you will be the most gifted scientist / investigator / scholar. There are plenty of 'superminds' in the real world who don't drive them selves to make break throughs that 'lesser' IQ minds do. My decision wasn't really based on her IQ level. That was just something that was mentioned in the series that I thought was semi-relevant to the question. Plus, I was genuinely interested in knowing how IQ related to the list. Like I said, most of her genius exploits came from her field in ghosty stuff, detective work, and tech. Everything in the story seemed to play up how smart she was. Adding a lil' more backstory to things, both her parents were these super smart people too. Her dad was a computer scientist, her mom was some super scientist too. She grew up the only kid in some whole scientisty place too, so as a kid she was constantly observing experiments and interacting with the people conducting them. I think it's also worth noting that the story takes place some time in the future, so the tech and things were definitely more advanced than things going on the world we live in. Standard stuff you'd see in most any sci-fi movie really. So she's well versed in a variety of fields to begin with. I'd definitely put her at genius level. Which is why I think at the very least a 10 is fitting based on the description of things in the chart. I did some more hoe work on the character and based on what you said and I read, rank 10 seems a good starting point.
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Post by creator on Jun 19, 2011 17:21:54 GMT -5
Blake was doing cutting edge surgical research a very long time ago . So his showing in the scans compliments that nicely. So I would say he was around rank 7 or 8 as a start. Thor like you said has shown knowledge pertaining to medical matters but I don't believe that he has the high end knowledge / creativity of Blake. So being able to relate and suggest basic courses of action for the vitals of the patient and what must happen next does not mean that he equals Blake, but I'm open to your thoughts. What do you think Thor should be ranked at ?
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Post by Gender on Jun 20, 2011 11:27:43 GMT -5
Blake was doing cutting edge surgical research a very long time ago . So his showing in the scans compliments that nicely. So I would say he was around rank 7 or 8 as a start. Thor like you said has shown knowledge pertaining to medical matters but I don't believe that he has the high end knowledge / creativity of Blake. So being able to relate and suggest basic courses of action for the vitals of the patient and what must happen next does not mean that he equals Blake, but I'm open to your thoughts. What do you think Thor should be ranked at ? Depends on the Thor. When him and Blake were written as the same guy, he was ridiculously smart, although now neither Blake or Thor as separate entities are going to be building super androids and the like as they've gotten dumber. Unless he randomly whips out Blake's surgical skills and performs surgery( I think he's actually done that once upon a time, but his most recent incarnation gives no indication he can do it now). Outside knowing what a Stark Phone is( Journey into Mystery 622) he hasn't displayed any tech knowledge or medical skills that I've seen. If we spot him doing it, we can bump him up, but for now you can keep him where he is at.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jun 20, 2011 22:41:13 GMT -5
Blake still knows how to do medical things. It seems like every time we see him, he's performing some type of nursing thing in Oklahoma. From delivering babies, to just plain helping out when the story calls for it. However, with the recent Thor stuff, Blake's been sorta kicked to the sidelines, so we don't see him as much. As a matter of fact, I don't think we've seen Blake at all since Secret Invasion, but even then, he was delivering that baby.
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Post by Gender on Jun 24, 2011 12:49:11 GMT -5
Blake still knows how to do medical things. It seems like every time we see him, he's performing some type of nursing thing in Oklahoma. From delivering babies, to just plain helping out when the story calls for it. However, with the recent Thor stuff, Blake's been sorta kicked to the sidelines, so we don't see him as much. As a matter of fact, I don't think we've seen Blake at all since Secret Invasion, but even then, he was delivering that baby.Sure, but he's been depicted nowhere as smart as he once was, he is still a medical wizard plot device. We did see Blake in Fantastic Four #588, even while fairly brief that was too. But yeah I was just thinking the same thing the other day, Blake has dropped off the map. Which is a bit sad to see since his more recent relationship with Thor was depicted as having him conversing with Thor in his head or appearing like a specter following Thor around / conversing with the recently departed. It's tough to think any Doctor would just sit quietly by as Thor walks around with a rainbow wound, I don't have a problem with his lack of appearance in Astonishing Thor as he brings absolutely nothing to that situation, but Mighty Thor should atleast have him pop in and say "Hey! Fraction hasn't forgotten about me!"
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Post by Erik-El on Jun 24, 2011 13:10:30 GMT -5
So I was going over the last few issues of WW vol 2 and it is revealed that WW is actually pretty damn smart. Real world scientist level smart. Obviously not on the level of comic book scientists but she was able to become fluent in foreign languages in a day of becoming exposed to them and knew detailed medical and science stuff. I should point out that she does have the wisdom of Athena as well. So while she is not going to out think Wayne, she is actually extremely intelligent and a genius in most/all areas. I would say a 9 or 10.
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Post by creator on Jun 27, 2011 6:33:21 GMT -5
So I was going over the last few issues of WW vol 2 and it is revealed that WW is actually pretty damn smart. Real world scientist level smart. Obviously not on the level of comic book scientists but she was able to become fluent in foreign languages in a day of becoming exposed to them and knew detailed medical and science stuff. I should point out that she does have the wisdom of Athena as well. So while she is not going to out think Wayne, she is actually extremely intelligent and a genius in most/all areas. I would say a 9 or 10. Ok. Let's put her in at 9 for now.
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Post by Beatboks on Jul 10, 2011 5:28:19 GMT -5
bump de de bump
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Post by Beatboks on Jul 20, 2011 6:46:18 GMT -5
Thoughts on
Rampage ( Dr Karen Lou Falkner) Starro Jor-el (he was a Kryptonian scientist) Bruce Gordan Kilowog ( he used his ring to do science) Alexander Luthor Jr
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Post by creator on Jul 20, 2011 13:06:47 GMT -5
Rampage ( Dr Karen Lou Falkner): 12 Starro: (the conqueror ?) If this is the humanoid controller, then I don't know as I have not seen him with any specific feats. It is hinted that he can draw on the knowledge of the controlled beings, as well as their strength, from across 9 galaxies. This Means he could be between 23 - 27. Jor-el (he was a Kryptonian scientist): 16 Bruce Gordan: He has shown great solar science know how. So 11 or 15. Kilowog ( he used his ring to do science): 12 Alexander Luthor Jr: 23 or 24
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Post by devias on Jul 20, 2011 15:45:26 GMT -5
Where do you guys think Apocalypse should rank?
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Post by creator on Jul 20, 2011 18:34:26 GMT -5
Where do you guys think Apocalypse should rank? Somewhere between 17 - 20.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 7, 2012 7:11:01 GMT -5
I'd like to suggest moving Ultra Humanite up to the level of Dr Doom from where I suggested. i've recently reread a lot of bis appearances coutesy of using him in a few tourneys. He is the consumate planner who like Doom has usurped high level power. understood and manipulated cosmic level things and has spread his influence through time and dimensions.
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Post by creator on Oct 7, 2012 23:46:37 GMT -5
I'd like to suggest moving Ultra Humanite up to the level of Dr Doom from where I suggested. i've recently reread a lot of bis appearances coutesy of using him in a few tourneys. He is the consumate planner who like Doom has usurped high level power. understood and manipulated cosmic level things and has spread his influence through time and dimensions. What about his breadth and depth of knowledge. Does he show super advanced knowledge / creativity in multiple areas of science, languages, planning, cryptography etc like Doom has ? I don't deny he is brilliant but does he eclipse the others in rank 22 by that much ?
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