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Post by creator on Sept 2, 2011 18:40:50 GMT -5
How inclusive do we want this list to be? And do we want to rank on hand to hand fighting skill alone or factor in physical prowess like Bane's strength and Cassandra Cain's speed? As Eric said, just the fighting ability uninfluenced by anything else.
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Post by Painkiller on Jul 3, 2012 8:29:36 GMT -5
Has Bruce ever had a skill boost?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jul 3, 2012 22:18:40 GMT -5
Has Bruce ever had a skill boost? I'd say twice. First after he got his back broken and had to retrain himself in Knightsend, then during 52 when he took a year to retake his steps of his training that led to him becoming batman
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Post by Painkiller on Jul 4, 2012 7:26:55 GMT -5
Has Bruce ever had a skill boost? I'd say twice. First after he got his back broken and had to retrain himself in Knightsend, then during 52 when he took a year to retake his steps of his training that led to him becoming batman Interesting...I didn't think a guy like him would ever need a boost in skill.
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Post by Prophet626 on Oct 18, 2012 22:01:36 GMT -5
Rank 1 Hydra Bob Wylde
Rank 2 Adrian Toomes Alex Merkel Apocalypse Armless Tiger Man Bloodscream Carnage Crossfire Deadzone Eddie Brock Human Torch Kick-Ass Killer Croc Reed Richards Rhino Riddler Scorpion Sentry Shocker Static Strong Guy Uncle Sam
Rank 3 Atomic Knight Banshee Black Tom Blob Caliban Dr. Aesop Firebrand Flash - Wally West Geo-Force Harvey Dent Komodo League of Assassin (average member) Magneto Mr. Sinister Nightfighter Norman Osborn Quicksilver Rage Sauron Solomon Grundy Stormtrooper Tigra Tony Stark Triathlon Wolfsbane
Rank 4 Alfred Darth Nihilus Deadshot Eddie Brock Iceman Looker Rorschach Silver Surfer Stargirl Tombstone Wildcat 3 (Tom)
Rank 5 Black Lightning Callisto Captain Atom Dark Hawk Dark Nebula Forge Hellcat Joker Jubilee Martian Manhunter Nova Owlman Spider-Man Susan Storm
Rank 6 (Who from ranks 3 – 5 be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 7 (Who from ranks 3 – 5 be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 8 Asgardians Aurra Sing Beast Bengal Bishop Black Knight Captain Marvel Casey Jones Champion of the Universe Creeper Cyber-Cat Cyborg Doc Samson Doll Man 2 Donatello Gorilla Man Helmut Zemo Hercules Hit-Girl Holly Robinson Huntress Jessica Drew Morbius Mordin Morlun Namor Oracle Power Girl Rick Jones Roughouse Scandal Savage Starkiller Stephen Strange Storm Superman Vandal Savage Warpath Warmachine Web Zaran
Rank 9 Ashoka Tano Black Condor (John) Black Spectre Cardiac Damian Wayne Gladiator Harley Quinn Hawkgirl Hawkman Hellboy Jeannette Luke Cage Magog Moondragon Mr. Majestic Nightcrawler Patriot Sinestro WI? Spider-Man
Rank 10 Balder Ben Skywalker Birdie Cyclops Falcon Fantomex Hawkeye Hush Jackaroo Kingpin Lady Vic Mark Richards Michelangelo Ms. Marvel Naga Sadow Nick Fury Omega Red Paladin Raphael Razorfist - current Renee Montoya Sabretooth She-Cat She-Hulk Stephen Strange Tahiri Veila Talia Al' Ghul Thing Thor Ultimate Gambit
Rank 11 (Who from ranks 8 – 10 can be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 12 (Who from ranks 8 – 10 can be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 13 Adam-X Agent Zero Balrog Batwoman Black Tarantula Blade Catman Conan Cylla Darth Traya Durge Finesse Frank Castle Gambit Gideon Green Arrow - Ollie Grifter Hellhound Hercules Jango Fett Judomaster Kitty Pryde Lady Deathstrike Lei Kung The Thunderer Mandarin Qui-Gon Jinn Ra's Al Ghul Raoul Bushman Roy Sarah Pezini Scarlett Shield Shuri Silver Sable Solo Stephanie Brown Stryfe Tim Drake US Agent Zangief
Rank 14 Adon Alyosha Kravinoff - Al Kraven Boba Fett Cable Catwoman Colleen Wing Domino Edmond Honda Jaden Korr Jason Todd Ki'Adi Mundi Kit Fisto Leonardo Misty Knight Mocingbird Moon Knight Natasha Romanova - Black Widow Obi-Wan Kenobi Plo Koon Shaak Ti Splinter Tulak Hord Ultimate T'Challa US Agent Wildcat Zuko
Rank 15 Cammy White Cheshire Darth Maul General Grievous Kyp Durron Lumiya Mara Jade Patience - Magdalena Sergei Kravinoff - Kraven The Hunter Shrike Terry McGinnis Vega Victor Sage
Rank 16 Batroc Puck Rank 17 Shatterstar Echo Rank 18 Archer Braun Bullseye Charlie Nash Chun-Li Cyber Cyclone Darth Tyranus Darth Vader David Allyne X-23 Death's Head 2
Elektra Fat Cobra Jaina Solo King Snake Kyle Katarn Midnighter Mystique Ord Psylocke Ravager Splice Tigress Silver Samurai Rank 19 Bucky Barnes - Captain America Crossbones Darth Zannah Dick Grayson Gamora Lt. Smith Mace Windu Mantis Yoda Ulic Qel-Droma Ultimate Steve Rogers Victor Sagat William Guile - Colonel Deadpool
Rank 20 Bane Black Canary Cat Conner Hawke Daredevil Darth Caedus - Jacen Solo Davos - Steel Phoenix Deathstroke Drakon Gorgon Ian Nottingham John Aman - Prince of Orphans Shang-Chi Katana Ken Masters Mandarin M. Bison Orson Randall Ryu Steve Rogers Stormshadow T'Challa Ultimate Nuke White Canary
Rank 21 (Who from ranks 18 – 20 can be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 22 (Who from ranks 18 – 20 can be elevated in to here ?)
Rank 23 Akuma Backlash Zealot Daken Darth Bane Darth Sidious David Cain Exar Kun Gouken Jin Nemesis Ogun Snake Eyes Ultimate Red Skull
Rank 24 Bruce Wayne O-Sensei Wolverine Bronze Tiger Rank 25 Cassandra Cain Daniel Rand - Iron Fist Lady Shiva Mister X Richard Dragon Sensei Taskmaster Temugin
Rank 26 Luke Skywalker
Rank 27
Rank 28 Karate Kid
Rank 29 Batman 1,000,000
Rank 30
I moved a few around..
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Post by creator on Oct 18, 2012 22:11:03 GMT -5
Rank I moved a few around.. Before you make any moves, can you please identify who and why, with hopefully some evidence to support your reasoning. So who do you want to move ?
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Post by Prophet626 on Oct 18, 2012 22:41:42 GMT -5
I can't remember all of them but I did move Bronze Tiger up to Rank 23 to 24 feat wise he if in par with Batman imo. I moved Puck and Batroc at Rank 16 from Rank 18 they are more agile then MA imo and I put them in the same rank because how simulator they are.. I bumped Deadpool from 18 to rank 19 because he is a master of several MA but more skilled then few if not all character in Rank 18. I bumped Shatterstar and Echo down because I think though do know several MA.. they are currently imo been down grade and have done anything significant MA wise..
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 19, 2012 2:06:39 GMT -5
Hellcat - I think we can move her up a little bit. She has extensive training and fought H2H in hell for several years IIRC.
Creeper - I think we can move him down to a seven. He hasn't shown enough to be an eight IMO
Falcon - Why is he this high? I can't think of H2H feats that put him on this level.
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Post by creator on Oct 19, 2012 15:45:44 GMT -5
Lets the keep the list as it was and go through each change to make sure we all agree with it. I am happy for moves that are supported with some factual info. Prophet626: Please go through the original list and write down each one you think needs modifying. Put the original and new score you think needs to be allocated and then provide as much reasoning as you can, with scans where ever possible. Strafe: Can you make more detailed argument for your 3 changes ? And by the way, I really appreciate you both contributing to the thread
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 29, 2012 0:15:15 GMT -5
Um...that's about it. LOL
Hellcat deserves more based on her training and general fighting. I can't think of any more specific feats, but I feel that she is better than a 5 based on her fights with Mockingbird and Tigra.
Creeper did well against Batman, but he also has better stats. I haven't seen much else to indicate fighting skill on his part TBH. I think a 6 is more appropriate.
Just what I said. I've seen nothing that indicates that Falcon is this good. The only thing I've seen him do is defeat basic street thugs. :/ I don't see him being any better than Jessica Drew or Warpath. I say 8 is more accurate.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 29, 2012 1:30:00 GMT -5
Jessica would handle Falcon but only because she has vastly superior stats. I think Jessica edges him out on skill but not by much. Her training is just more varied. Under Taskmaster, Hydra agents, SHIELD, Captain America. Whereas near as I can tell, Falcon is no better than any regular SHIELD agent.
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Post by CitizenBane on Oct 29, 2012 8:14:22 GMT -5
Zealot knows every martial arts form on Earth, has honed those skills for thousands of years to the point where she has more combat experience than the human race, was the greatest fighter on planet Khera (so she has the martial arts of at least two planets at her disposal) and is skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with metas like Warblade and Midnighter despite their physical edge seeing as her stats are Deathstroke-level at best. I do not think she is in any way below people like Batman or Wolverine. Hell, she fought Batman in a contest of skill during Dreamwar and beheaded him.
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Post by CitizenBane on Oct 29, 2012 8:19:43 GMT -5
T'Challa should maybe be bumped up a notch or two since the recent revelation that he's studied every fighting style on the planet:
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 29, 2012 8:40:07 GMT -5
He may have studied every fighting style, but is he great at them all?
I've seen people say David Cain knowns everyone but he's not that great at them. Maybe that's because of hi age. I don't know. Thinking out loud.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 29, 2012 12:22:24 GMT -5
T'Challa should maybe be bumped up a notch or two since the recent revelation that he's studied every fighting style on the planet: He also got wrecked by Storm in H2H. STORM! <--- Runs out of thread
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Post by Power NeXus on Oct 29, 2012 17:50:22 GMT -5
T'Challa should maybe be bumped up a notch or two since the recent revelation that he's studied every fighting style on the planet: I would hesitate before using pretty much anything from an AvX fight to prove a point. The writing in some of those match-ups was painfully bad.
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Post by creator on Oct 29, 2012 18:03:34 GMT -5
Jessica would handle Falcon but only because she has vastly superior stats. I think Jessica edges him out on skill but not by much. Her training is just more varied. Under Taskmaster, Hydra agents, SHIELD, Captain America. Whereas near as I can tell, Falcon is no better than any regular SHIELD agent. He was partnered with Cap for a long time and got hand to hand training with him and unlike others who claim that (Wonderman etc), he has to rely on those skills to see him through a fight. I have seen him easily over come several Hydra goons with hand to hand, so if comparing him to a Shield agent, I would say he was towards the top end of their training.
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Post by creator on Oct 29, 2012 18:04:34 GMT -5
I need to make some updates to this listing with all the discussions going on. I'll get to it ASAP.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 29, 2012 19:53:40 GMT -5
Jessica would handle Falcon but only because she has vastly superior stats. I think Jessica edges him out on skill but not by much. Her training is just more varied. Under Taskmaster, Hydra agents, SHIELD, Captain America. Whereas near as I can tell, Falcon is no better than any regular SHIELD agent. He was partnered with Cap for a long time and got hand to hand training with him and unlike others who claim that (Wonderman etc), he has to rely on those skills to see him through a fight. I have seen him easily over come several Hydra goons with hand to hand, so if comparing him to a Shield agent, I would say he was towards the top end of their training. I think Dum Dum would give Falcon trouble in a purely H2H battle. Hydra goons are nothing but fodder. I don't think any hero has ever had trouble with them. I doubt they are even trained beyond basic military. As far as Captain American's ability to train is concerned, he trained Hawkeye, who is a H2H embarassment, Wonder Man as you mentioned, and Spider-Man. Spider-Man did not consider himself a trained fighter until well after Captain's training under Shang Chi. So while Captain America is a top tier fighter, he seems to be nearly worthless as a trainer.
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Post by creator on Oct 29, 2012 20:17:59 GMT -5
He was partnered with Cap for a long time and got hand to hand training with him and unlike others who claim that (Wonderman etc), he has to rely on those skills to see him through a fight. I have seen him easily over come several Hydra goons with hand to hand, so if comparing him to a Shield agent, I would say he was towards the top end of their training. I think Dum Dum would give Falcon trouble in a purely H2H battle. Hydra goons are nothing but fodder. I don't think any hero has ever had trouble with them. I doubt they are even trained beyond basic military. As far as Captain American's ability to train is concerned, he trained Hawkeye, who is a H2H embarassment, Wonder Man as you mentioned, and Spider-Man. Spider-Man did not consider himself a trained fighter until well after Captain's training under Shang Chi. So while Captain America is a top tier fighter, he seems to be nearly worthless as a trainer. Harsh. Cap is only as good as the student I think.
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