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Post by Morpheus on Oct 14, 2011 15:18:58 GMT -5
He likely made the comparison based on some of the previous attacks on the shielding of Brainiac's spacecraft, but aside from what he says about the flow of energy, your estimation is as good as mine.
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 15:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah so what he's essentially doing is guessing. There's no way he can actually time how fast it is, just that it is a very small window of opportunity.
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 14, 2011 15:23:09 GMT -5
It seems to me he is calculating the gap, not merely guessing, but it's rather moot.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 14, 2011 15:27:36 GMT -5
He saw how fast the energy was moving. And thought he'd have to move at that speed to beat it.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 16:34:35 GMT -5
Novel? Don't see how that would be included here. Well it's an official DC story that was part of an entire JLA member series of books so as look as I post actual info from the book that should be sufficient. As I can't scan the pages, you would have to take my word on th text......unless you want to buy the book (published 2004)
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 14, 2011 16:41:15 GMT -5
What about this? The speed he's going at, and he makes that angel turn. That's gotta be a reaction speed feat.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 16:46:10 GMT -5
What about this? The speed he's going at, and he makes that angel turn. That's gotta be a reaction speed feat. It shows awareness of position despite his great movemen speed to his brain is worked at speeds enabling him to plan and control his movement just like the flash does but to a lesser extent.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 17:16:00 GMT -5
zoom is obviously 30 I would say black racer 29 Wally and Barry 28 or 29 ( inclined to say Barry 29 Wally just below_ on feats the other way but as Barry is the speed force at that's the way it should be) Superman 26 Cap Marvel 24 Black Adam 23 Are we basing these on published feats ? I would have thought supes, CM and BA are pretty much equal as for most other things they ave been to be consistently on par. Basing it on feats. the similarities between Supes, Cap and BA are more in strength and a little in durability. When it comes to Speed there have been many instances where Cap has shown to be slower than Superman. I see where your getting that from because having just rechecked the speed movement grid and seen they are all ranked at 24. This is incorrect. Superman has travelled to the edge of the universe in recent times in no time (Spectre had to teleport several times to try and get in front of him each time being too late and had to again. Black Adam on the other hand took 5000 years to make his way back from the other side of the universe after Shazam transported him there. Considering the expanding universe theory the distance that he had to traverse would have been a fraction of what Superman did recently. Cap has shown to be slower on cap has show on a few rare occasions to be slower than BA (usually when another member of the Marvel family is "sharing" his power. But on other occasions faster but not by much. BA has a travel speed of between 1/2 and 2/3 the speed of light (shown a few times in JSA). He has shown to not be able to react to Jay Garrick when he wasn't a light speeder. www.comicvine.com/myvine/beatboks1/captain-marvel-family/108-545117/jay_taking_on_ba/105-1967379/This was the only way that he could deal with Jay www.comicvine.com/myvine/beatboks1/captain-marvel-family/108-545117/black_adam_and_jay_2/105-1973623/Since this was during the period after Wally entered the speed force cause Jay to loose his connection (and therefore become sub light speed) it's quite telling. Billy could react to Jay, and Superman has reacted to Wally if, I'm not mistaken. I'm going to have to hunt it up but I vaguely recall Diana reacting to zoom ( a slight dodge). I'll look for the scan (or ask Erik)
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 14, 2011 17:28:24 GMT -5
Adam reacted to Jay during Black Vengeance. While fighting the entire team, nonetheless.Attachments:
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 14, 2011 17:31:37 GMT -5
I think that instance when Superman was travelling to the edge of the universe was Silver Age.
That 5000 year thing with Teth was retconned.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 17:43:02 GMT -5
I think that instance when Superman was travelling to the edge of the universe was Silver Age. That 5000 year thing with Teth was retconned. When it was his post COIE debut and referred to in hjis last appearance in JSA IIRC ?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 14, 2011 17:53:07 GMT -5
Really? In Power of Shazam they changed it. He was just an archaeologist. Who went to caves that had the Shazam symbol with the parents of Billy. Before he became Black Adam he killed Billy's parents.
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 17:54:34 GMT -5
What about this? The speed he's going at, and he makes that angel turn. That's gotta be a reaction speed feat. This looks like something that cosmic guys like Silver Surfer do on a regular basis. SS travels at many times the speed of light, and consistently dodges asteroid or laser fire or whatever.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 14, 2011 17:56:56 GMT -5
ckal: That is nothing compared to what Storm has shown.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Oct 14, 2011 17:59:42 GMT -5
ckal: That is nothing compared to what Storm has shown.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Oct 14, 2011 18:02:28 GMT -5
What about this? The speed he's going at, and he makes that angel turn. That's gotta be a reaction speed feat. This looks like something that cosmic guys like Silver Surfer do on a regular basis. SS travels at many times the speed of light, and consistently dodges asteroid or laser fire or whatever. I've never once thought Superman and Silver Surfer were on the same level. I feel that SS could easily move faster than Superman.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 18:10:34 GMT -5
Really? In Power of Shazam they changed it. He was just an archaeologist. Who went to caves that had the Shazam symbol with the parents of Billy. Before he became Black Adam he killed Billy's parents. Ahh never mind, I forgot that (thanks). The reference I'm referring to was written by Guggneheim anyway so it's just another example of how little research he does (god I'm losing it, what was I thinking of taking a feat by that hack as any sign of anything). In any case the times he's not been able to react to Jay (which out numbers those where he has) still support lower reaction time.
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 15, 2011 1:18:53 GMT -5
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Post by creator on Oct 15, 2011 3:35:31 GMT -5
I've never once thought Superman and Silver Surfer were on the same level. I feel that SS could easily move faster than Superman. I agree with regards to movement speed but not reaction speed. That gap is a is a lot closer.
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Post by creator on Oct 15, 2011 3:58:17 GMT -5
This looks like something that cosmic guys like Silver Surfer do on a regular basis. SS travels at many times the speed of light, and consistently dodges asteroid or laser fire or whatever. However some points to make about the surfer and his dodging are - He usually dodges them when they originate at long distances from quite a lot of the feat scans I have seen. Like the time he weaves in and out of laser fire from ships when in space
- With the laser fire and asteroids, his senses likely play a huge part. He can track cosmic dust motes across light years of space or pin point an energy source easily across a planet. As long as his mind works reasonably fast, his senses afford him the most time to dodge said attacks. We all have seen that scan where the surfer is standing with the hulk and dr strange and he leaves them in 1 panel to return 2 panels later and confirm that something is not on the planet earth. Many people assume that he somehow travels across the entire surface of the planet looking for the object of his search. The more simple and thus more likely explanation is that in the 8 or so seconds he is absent, he flew around the circumference of the planet once, using the range his senses afford to scan for said object.
Yes it is still an impressive speed feat and shows his mind works at superhuman speed but it is not as impressive as say the flash's feat of moving the entire population of a city out of a nuclear explosion or the like, while the bomb is going off and he transports them all something like 30 miles away in literally microscopic fractions of a second. Flash does not benefit from senses that can detect a fart from half a planet away. His mind is calculating routes, how to carry people, how many people as he moved etc.
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