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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 4:51:03 GMT -5
Wonder Woman IMHO would be rank 27. she has deflected and dodged multiple laser or light beams (not just a single) from less than 5ft. When she deflected Amazo's heat vision it was about a dozen beams within two frames close to 20 in 3. Since she does it from Stationary where most dodge feats are by moving targets relatively speaking it's a better feat than other laser dodges because of the frame of reference (many like Flash for example dodge laser but they were already moving at speed when the went to dodge).
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 6:39:12 GMT -5
I thought you were just trying to debate aggressively in our thread. For real though, Wonder Woman just isn't as fast as the Flash in any possible way.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 6:44:24 GMT -5
Wonder Woman IMHO would be rank 27. she has deflected and dodged multiple laser or light beams (not just a single) from less than 5ft. When she deflected Amazo's heat vision it was about a dozen beams within two frames close to 20 in 3. Since she does it from Stationary where most dodge feats are by moving targets relatively speaking it's a better feat than other laser dodges because of the frame of reference (many like Flash for example dodge laser but they were already moving at speed when the went to dodge). I think she is lower than Flash but am I right in saying that Flash is rank 27 ? I thought you were just trying to debate aggressively in our thread. For real though, Wonder Woman just isn't as fast as the Flash in any possible way. Than I think we need to unstand with certainity if Flash is rank 27 or 28 or Dane, which rank do you think Flash is at ?
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 6:48:16 GMT -5
Logically, Wally West is 29 or 30.
How fast does he move? I've heard millions of times faster than light. I don't know how many times faster in current DCU personally. But he certainly has the feats to imply he is moving many, many, many times faster than light. And it's not like it's just his feet moving at that speed. His brain and thought processes are constantly moving at extreme speed. He doesn't need "reaction", he's constantly moving too fast for a laser to bother him even at 2 inches. So he is at least 29 if not 30.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 7:05:47 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts on these feats, Image 1 Similiar in nature to a previous feat. To be able to appear to observers as a blur / almost invisible due to speed, would put the feat at around rank 11. However as the observers are Asgardians and they typically in general have enhanced human to low superhuman reaction speed, then this might rise to a rank 13 feat. Image 2 Even with the superhuman strength of the attacker driving the blade down, which would make the attack faster than a humans attack, I would not imagine the attack to move faster than say 120mph. As the 'block' takes place just a few inches from Thors face, I would suggest this to be a rank 13 feat. Image 3 Blocking the arrows within 3 feet of his body would be a rank 8 feat. This may rise to a rank 9 or 10 feat if the arrows came from a super strong bow. Image 4 Knowing that the Wrecker can spin his bar to defelct bullets (he has done it in the past), would suggest that he can move the bar at several hundred mph. Thos catches the bar at about 1 foot out so this would make this a about a rank 13 feat. Image 5 If this missile travels at around mach 2.5, then this would make this a rank 12 feat (grabbed at 25 feet out). Image 6 Blocking 2 shots from larger (long barrel) revolvers at 15 to 20 feet. This would make this a rank 8 feat. Image 7 Blocks the single shot SMG bullet from (we believe) relatively close range (less than 20 feet) making this a rank 10 feat. Image 8 Escaping the confines of the bola is (I think) a rank 12 feat.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 7:10:13 GMT -5
Logically, Wally West is 29 or 30. How fast does he move? I've heard millions of times faster than light. I don't know how many times faster in current DCU personally. But he certainly has the feats to imply he is moving many, many, many times faster than light. And it's not like it's just his feet moving at that speed. His brain and thought processes are constantly moving at extreme speed. He doesn't need "reaction", he's constantly moving too fast for a laser to bother him even at 2 inches. So he is at least 29 if not 30. I would agree but then we have many times about the dangers of going faster than light speed. Reaction speed should not focus on how hard it is to get a bead on him (due to movement). Instead it should be focussing on him maybe making dodges from a standing start. We have seen him accelerate to almost light speed from a standing start but where is the proof ? There are people faster than him (I use the word faster loosley) in reaction speed due to their powers like Zoom.
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 7:17:35 GMT -5
But that isn't reacting. It's just being so fast you don't need to react at all. Zoom and Flash are both in that category.
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 7:18:38 GMT -5
Oh and like I said, Flash doesn't accelerate like that, he's constantly moving really really fast. Even if he isn't physically, he still is mentally. So reacting to something is redundant.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 10:40:49 GMT -5
Oh and like I said, Flash doesn't accelerate like that, he's constantly moving really really fast. Even if he isn't physically, he still is mentally. So reacting to something is redundant. As he is not physically moving that fast all the time then he has a reaction speed and even the flash cannot go from 0 to light speed instanteously. He still has to accelerate therefore he has a reaction speed. His mind might still be able to process data at speeds few others can match but he there is a lag, even on a nano second or even less scale between action and reaction. Hence he has a reaction speed. Do we have any pictorial evidence to show his reaction speed ?
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 12:01:42 GMT -5
zoom is obviously 30 I would say black racer 29 Wally and Barry 28 or 29 ( inclined to say Barry 29 Wally just below_ on feats the other way but as Barry is the speed force at that's the way it should be) Superman 26 Cap Marvel 24 Black Adam 23
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 14, 2011 12:03:16 GMT -5
I thought you were just trying to debate aggressively in our thread. For real though, Wonder Woman just isn't as fast as the Flash in any possible way. Of course not but she is the next best in reaction speed behind the Allen and west families
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 12:56:30 GMT -5
Oh and like I said, Flash doesn't accelerate like that, he's constantly moving really really fast. Even if he isn't physically, he still is mentally. So reacting to something is redundant. As he is not physically moving that fast all the time then he has a reaction speed and even the flash cannot go from 0 to light speed instanteously. He still has to accelerate therefore he has a reaction speed. His mind might still be able to process data at speeds few others can match but he there is a lag, even on a nano second or even less scale between action and reaction. Hence he has a reaction speed. Do we have any pictorial evidence to show his reaction speed ? He but what I meant is, he is mentally faster than anything else that is moving toward him. So he always has an advantage.
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Post by Dane on Oct 14, 2011 12:59:09 GMT -5
I thought you were just trying to debate aggressively in our thread. For real though, Wonder Woman just isn't as fast as the Flash in any possible way. Of course not but she is the next best in reaction speed behind the Allen and west families I really think you're hyping up Wonder Woman to a really, really absurd degree. She isn't that fast in any way. The scans ckal posted of Thor are really similar to the single scan you have of WW. That would put him at the same near-Flash levels you're claiming. And we all know Thor is very far from the fastest character in Marvel. Even those characters, the biggest fanboys would never pretend are close to any of the Flashes. I'll address our battle thread tomorrow, since I spent all night playing SC2.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 13:01:48 GMT -5
zoom is obviously 30 I would say black racer 29 Wally and Barry 28 or 29 ( inclined to say Barry 29 Wally just below_ on feats the other way but as Barry is the speed force at that's the way it should be) Superman 26 Cap Marvel 24 Black Adam 23 Are we basing these on published feats ? I would have thought supes, CM and BA are pretty much equal as for most other things they ave been to be consistently on par.
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 13:52:19 GMT -5
I would like to see scans for Superman, Captain Marvel, and Black Adam. I've been waiting a long time for these, but nobody ever seems to be able to provide much of anything for them.
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 13:53:32 GMT -5
And also for Wonder Woman.
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Post by creator on Oct 14, 2011 15:01:10 GMT -5
I would like to see scans for Superman, Captain Marvel, and Black Adam. I've been waiting a long time for these, but nobody ever seems to be able to provide much of anything for them. And also for Wonder Woman. I'll need help but I'll see what I can pull together. There are some interesting comic novel examples as well. A good example was the Flash: Stop Motion novel which describes superman, wonder woman and Martian Manhunter moving and reacting at something like Mach 200.
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Post by Morpheus on Oct 14, 2011 15:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 15:11:04 GMT -5
Novel? Don't see how that would be included here.
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Post by ckal on Oct 14, 2011 15:13:05 GMT -5
morph- That looks like a good feat for Supes, but I'd like to know how he came with his 'thousandth of a second' estimation.
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