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Post by Erik-El on Dec 27, 2012 23:37:41 GMT -5
It is becoming pretty developed but I only have it written as chronology bios. Tempted to list the bios and if people dig it, then maybe I would start a fan-fiction that is doomed to get only 6 views lol.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 28, 2012 0:10:08 GMT -5
I want to see more of the D-Listers because I think we can all agree we're getting tired of seeing the same faces in every single title. Wolverine and Spider-Man are in half the titles Marvel is putting out right now. There are certain X-Men who always show up in every X-Men title, certain Avengers for every Avengers title..... Marvel just has a core crowd of a couple dozen characters who comprise the vast majority of their current writing material. Sure, Wolverine and Spider-Man and Captain America and the Hulk-spinoff-people are all cool, but can't we get some more variety in the faces we see? There are so many characters (like the aforementioned Cardiac, Rocket Racer, and Prowler) who have gotten just enough facetime in comics to seem potentially interesting, but haven't gotten any development beyond that point. So why not put one of them in a title? They're still so underdeveloped that a good writer could do practically anything with them. This is why I'm pleased to see Sunfire as a member of this new Avengers/X-Men hybrid team. He's been around for a long time but has never been anyone important or had any noteworthy character development. We already know exactly what to expect of Cap, Wolverine, Rogue, Thor, and the rest of the peeps on that team, but Sunfire is practically an enigma. He can be pretty much whatever the writer wants him to be. Yeah, Marvel could start up a team comprised of Cap, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Red Hulk, Iron Man, Daredevil, and Spider-Woman. But before even reading it we already know exactly what the team dynamic is and how each team member will react to each other and each situation. It's nothing we haven't read before. But how about we find a way to put Cardiac, Mockingbird, Stingray, Toad, Sleepwalker, and Joystick on a team together? Nobody knows them. Nobody knows what to expect of a team like that. Reading how their teamwork plays out would actually be interesting, and their personalities are so underdeveloped that the writer could start shaping them in any way he wants. What started out as a short reply appears to have turned into something of a rant... Good points and I agree for the most part. The only part I disagree is having a team comprised entirely of unknowns. People pick up what they are comfortable with, that is why indie publishers stay indie (Bazinga!). Thunderbolts had teams of relatively unknowns and I am pretty sure the title is not that great. How about a team that is a mix of both? Half unknowns with the other half some familiar faces? Yes, the hypothetical team I made up was a pretty extreme example. I would read the heck out of it, but it definitely wouldn't sell well. Having a mix of both is exactly what I would go for.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 28, 2012 2:46:31 GMT -5
What do you think of what I said about Kitty leading the X-Men?
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 28, 2012 5:41:48 GMT -5
I have an immense distaste for reboots since Flashpoint. In my mind it's going around fixing things all wrong.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 28, 2012 10:52:14 GMT -5
What do you think of what I said about Kitty leading the X-Men? I think its a great idea. She's always struck me as being a bit more level-headed than Cyclops was at her age. He was always so militaristic and obsessed with being Xavier's little protege that it's only natural that he would turn out to be an immoral douchebag just like Xavier was. Kitty is generally more down-to-earth. She's more obsessed with maintaining solid relationships and avoiding spilled blood than with 'Xavier's dream.' That's exactly the kind of leader the X-Men could use.
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Post by Power NeXus on Dec 28, 2012 10:58:42 GMT -5
It is becoming pretty developed but I only have it written as chronology bios. Tempted to list the bios and if people dig it, then maybe I would start a fan-fiction that is doomed to get only 6 views lol. That's what's always stopped me from writing my potential fan-fics. No matter how much work I put into it, it still won't have more than a 1% chance of getting read more than half a dozen times and then lost forever to the bowels of the internet.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 28, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -5
I have an immense distaste for reboots since Flashpoint. In my mind it's going around fixing things all wrong. Flashpoint wasn't a reboot. It was a plot device.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 28, 2012 23:11:33 GMT -5
Death would be no joke in my U either. Except for characters that have special anti death powers of course.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 29, 2012 17:08:10 GMT -5
What do you think about that Ledgers? I tried to keep it historically accurate so that is several days of hard research into the Holocaust.
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 30, 2012 14:10:34 GMT -5
Too wordy?
I was toying with the possibility of making Magneto and Xavier more than just really close friends. I was thinking of making them lovers but I worry about the integrity of the story. It isn't necessary obviously but I wonder if it would enhance the emotion of Magneto's loss.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 30, 2012 18:36:27 GMT -5
Great work! Exalted!
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Post by Seclusion on Dec 31, 2012 16:16:17 GMT -5
I have an immense distaste for reboots since Flashpoint. In my mind it's going around fixing things all wrong. Marvel doesn't have Geoff Johns, so you don't have to worry about mini issues and retcons.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Jan 3, 2013 20:46:03 GMT -5
Marvel reboot huh?Well i would like to see more of characters that dont get enough air time IMO.Blink would be a great example of that.Shes one of my personal favorite characters in comics as a whole and TBH i wasnt a huge fan of her mainstream.Id like to see her as a key person in the Xmen kinda like Storm was early on. On what NeXus said about Spiderman while i do like Mary Jane the story where Gwen bit it was one of my personal favorites (Along with the playback of all that in Loebs Blue prolly one of the only ones i really liked that he wrote) I also really liked Ultimate Spiderman but killing Peter off would likely be a blunder in sales no matter how great the story was. All in all im very torn on that.
Another thing that i think would be awesome is Mystique in a hero role.She would still have her craftiness and the willingness to do whatever is necessary to achieve her goals but id prefer he goals to be less...psychotic.Id especially like her to have a batter relationship with Kurt.They never ended on a high note and that still bugs me.Oh and the mega skank part of her needs to go.Something like an Ada Wong from Resident Evil with some basic character differences.
Moon Knight is someone who they really never did justice to as a character IMO.Something like a no messing around attitude would be pretty awesome.I would have to really consider the character more for that though since being a full blown vigalante who kills criminals instead of subduing them can send a bad message to the people reading the comics (The younger ones anyway) that and the only way i can see it working is if hes a villain and a total nut job.
Gotta say Erik,your Magneto revamp was very well done.Im not overly fond of the idea of Erik and Charles being a couple though.To me it takes away from the relationship.The two of them had the utmost respect for each other and note because they were friends but because they understood what the other was trying to accomplish.
One of my favorite movie quotes of all time from the third Xmen movie. When Magneto is talking to Pyro and Pyro says he would have killed the professor if Mags had asked him "Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you will ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live"
I dont see the relationship being like that if they were lovers.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 3, 2013 22:26:12 GMT -5
Thanks Sherlock, I will keep it as it is then, with just "war buddies". I'm glad more than one person read it lol. It took a lot of work to make sure it stayed completely accurate to the events of real history. Everything he endured are things holocaust victims actually experienced. I have several more character bios done, I just have to make sure the timeline intersections all fit. I'm a stickler for details lol.
But really, thanks for reading and thanks for your input.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 4, 2013 23:44:42 GMT -5
I think you have something there with Blink Sherlock. I personally loved her AoA version but for the life of me, I can't even remember a single issue of her in the 616 universe outside of Necrosha. If it tickles your fancy, I had already planned on putting her AoA version (or my version of AoA at least) in my 616 reboot. Your idea of Mystique also mirrors my own. I mostly would draw on her solo series for inspiration, which I thought was awesome and far too short. Trying to have sex with her daughter's boyfriend is exactly the kind of WTFery that would never be in my U, though I did like the end of that arc where she and Kurt had words. Moon Knight would be there too but since I have only read his run with David Finch as the artist, I only have experience with the crazy (though not the Willy Wonka crazy he is now) Moon Knight. I honestly would draw on what K4tz used to say about his classic version. That is the Moon Knight I would be interested in having in my U. One that can fully immerse himself in these characters he created but still be himself when he is not undercover. I just put some finishing touches on my version of Beast. His origin is completely different to the 616 origin. I drew on the Ultimate version and loosely on the movie version with my own spin on it. If I am being honest, Magneto and Beast would be characters I would actually want to write about most often. Even more than my version of Wolverine, which I think kicks all kinds of butt lol.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Jan 6, 2013 13:51:25 GMT -5
Erik-ElIts my pleasure im certainly get a kick out of it thus far.Im glad you like my ideas for Blink and Mystique.Moon knight was an odd one as i said in my post. Im not overly familiar with Beasts origin story though that was definitely interesting to read.Cant wait for the next installment.Im curious do you know who the next one your going to do is?
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 6, 2013 13:59:20 GMT -5
Erik-ElIts my pleasure im certainly get a kick out of it thus far.Im glad you like my ideas for Blink and Mystique.Moon knight was an odd one as i said in my post. Im not overly familiar with Beasts origin story though that was definitely interesting to read.Cant wait for the next installment.Im curious do you know who the next one your going to do is? Thanks! I have drafts for Jean Grey, Iceman, Angel, Wolverine, and Xavier. I just need to iron out kinks to get the core X-Men down (I love the classic team as the ones that started it all). I have plans for Cyclops but nothing written down yet. After that, I have general ideas for the rest of the surviving mutants. I don't think I will bother creating origins for the mutants that will die during the attack though, there are thousands of kids that die and if I were to start the story, it would be shortly before the attack on the school just to establish some kind of connection to the students that die. Any story on the mutants planned for death could be picked up in a First Class series or whatever lol. I will probably jump on Nightcrawler shortly after but I would like some ideas on what qualities about him are valuable from his many incarnations and what ones need to be swept aside.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Jan 6, 2013 14:19:25 GMT -5
That makes sense.Get the original people done first. Do you plan are going to work on other marvel characters or is this going to be mainly Xmen for the time being?Are you also taking requests? I personally would love to see a new origin on Gambit but dont have much idea of what id want to see as of yet
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 6, 2013 14:22:32 GMT -5
That makes sense.Get the original people done first. Do you plan are going to work on other marvel characters or is this going to be mainly Xmen for the time being?Are you also taking requests? I personally would love to see a new origin on Gambit but dont have much idea of what id want to see as of yet I would be happy to take requests on characters. I would be doing an entire Marvel U reboot so eventually, everyone will get a bio. But if you want to see what a rebooted Gambit would be like, I could take a crack at it. Gambit is kind of one of those characters that, aside from that whole Death nonsense, is really not a broken character IMO. I might change up the origin to something I think is a little more modern and cool but his current series is pretty awesome, I likely would draw on that for his personality.
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Post by Sherlock Laforet on Jan 6, 2013 17:13:52 GMT -5
That sounds pretty awesome to me.Im not so much wanting a reboot due to him being run astray.Id just like to see what you can come up with.
Have you given thought to people like Captain America?That one to me seems like it could pose a challenge if you are actually trying to make any real changes
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