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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 17:21:41 GMT -5
The story OMD is crap. End of story. Spider-Man is primarily a science fiction title and they use supernatural means to completely obliterate the most important section of his life. I do not think it was necessary to even do the story at all. Spider-Man was still obscenely popular even while being 'tied' to Mary Jane. I seriously think it was worse than the Clone Saga and that is saying something.
That being said, I am over it. The stories since then have been awesome. I did think it was cool that Jessica Drew still remembered the way things were though because she was off-planet during OMD though. It was a nice touch.
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Post by InnerVenom123 on Nov 14, 2010 18:22:50 GMT -5
The story OMD is crap. End of story. Spider-Man is primarily a science fiction title and they use supernatural means to completely obliterate the most important section of his life. I do not think it was necessary to even do the story at all. Spider-Man was still obscenely popular even while being 'tied' to Mary Jane. I seriously think it was worse than the Clone Saga and that is saying something. That being said, I am over it. The stories since then have been awesome. I did think it was cool that Jessica Drew still remembered the way things were though because she was off-planet during OMD though. It was a nice touch. Wait, she remembered? .... Guess that works, since in OMIT they said that the spell/mindwipe was used on everyone on Earth.
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Post by Matezoide on Nov 14, 2010 18:23:41 GMT -5
The story OMD is crap. End of story. Spider-Man is primarily a science fiction title and they use supernatural means to completely obliterate the most important section of his life. I do not think it was necessary to even do the story at all. Spider-Man was still obscenely popular even while being 'tied' to Mary Jane. I seriously think it was worse than the Clone Saga and that is saying something. That being said, I am over it. The stories since then have been awesome. I did think it was cool that Jessica Drew still remembered the way things were though because she was off-planet during OMD though. It was a nice touch. this
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 18:34:08 GMT -5
I understand guys! I was just saying. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 18:36:08 GMT -5
I understand guys! I was just saying. =] and shame on you for saying that...
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 14, 2010 18:41:01 GMT -5
The story OMD is crap. End of story. Spider-Man is primarily a science fiction title and they use supernatural means to completely obliterate the most important section of his life. I do not think it was necessary to even do the story at all. Spider-Man was still obscenely popular even while being 'tied' to Mary Jane. I seriously think it was worse than the Clone Saga and that is saying something. That being said, I am over it. The stories since then have been awesome. I did think it was cool that Jessica Drew still remembered the way things were though because she was off-planet during OMD though. It was a nice touch. Wait, she remembered? .... Guess that works, since in OMIT they said that the spell/mindwipe was used on everyone on Earth. She did remember. She told Parker that she thought he was married and he had no idea what she was talking about. It seemed to indicate that she just gave up and tossed it up to remembering wrong. But it was nice that someone recalled that he was married.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 19:01:55 GMT -5
The story OMD is crap. End of story. Spider-Man is primarily a science fiction title and they use supernatural means to completely obliterate the most important section of his life. I do not think it was necessary to even do the story at all. Spider-Man was still obscenely popular even while being 'tied' to Mary Jane. I seriously think it was worse than the Clone Saga and that is saying something. That being said, I am over it. The stories since then have been awesome. I did think it was cool that Jessica Drew still remembered the way things were though because she was off-planet during OMD though. It was a nice touch. *continuity alarm has started screaming like crazy*
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 19:05:46 GMT -5
I understand guys! I was just saying. =] and shame on you for saying that... Why? I just realized that there was something good in the event that made everyone upset. Seriously, MJ will return in his life again. I'm pretty sure about this. It just seems that Quesada needed to change Pete's life so he could bring something new that otherwise he could not. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 19:11:33 GMT -5
Why? I just realized that there was something good in the event that made everyone upset. Seriously, MJ will return in his life again. I'm pretty sure about this. It just seems that Quesada needed to change Pete's life so he could bring something new that otherwise he could not. =] Because he didn't really need to. And his behavior, comments, etc proved it was just him being just another who hated the MJ marriage for no fucking justified reason. A character shouldn't need to have his entire life retconned by the Lord of Darkness in an evil deal that forever stains his moral high ground to move to a new stage in his life. Take Witchblade. Since she started her life has completely changed from where it was at the beginning. Yet Marz always has a new stories coming and the Top Cow world is always changing and expanding. Marvel, instead ruins new stuff with bad retcons and threats it's readers like crap.
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 19:13:55 GMT -5
Wait, she remembered? .... Guess that works, since in OMIT they said that the spell/mindwipe was used on everyone on Earth. She did remember. She told Parker that she thought he was married and he had no idea what she was talking about. It seemed to indicate that she just gave up and tossed it up to remembering wrong. But it was nice that someone recalled that he was married. It was in the New Avengers #61. Btw, the whole conversation they had, it was pretty hilarious. ;D
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 19:18:11 GMT -5
Why? I just realized that there was something good in the event that made everyone upset. Seriously, MJ will return in his life again. I'm pretty sure about this. It just seems that Quesada needed to change Pete's life so he could bring something new that otherwise he could not. =] Because he didn't really need to. And his behavior, comments, etc proved it was just him being just another who hated the MJ marriage for no flarking justified reason. A character shouldn't need to have his entire life retconned by the Lord of Darkness in an evil deal that forever stains his moral high ground to move to a new stage in his life. Take Witchblade. Since she started her life has completely changed from where it was at the beginning. Yet Marz always has a new stories coming and the Top Cow world is always changing and expanding. Marvel, instead ruins new stuff with bad retcons and threats it's readers like crap. Apart from the fact that MJ has gone away. I don't think anything else has been ruined for spidey though. BND has been every exciting and nice to read. It had some pretty good story arcs like New Ways to Die, American son, Gauntlet, Grim Hunt etc...Most of those arcs if not all of them, had been based on OMD. I'm not trying to change your mind about OMD. I'm just trying to defend my position and why i believe that OMD was a good move. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 19:20:27 GMT -5
I'm not trying to change your mind about OMD. I'm just trying to defend my position and why i believe that OMD was a good move. =] And I contend that even if some good can come out of an action. It doesn't make that action itself good far from it. OMD was the last nail that ended my respect for Marvel as publishing company forever.
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 19:25:16 GMT -5
I'm not trying to change your mind about OMD. I'm just trying to defend my position and why i believe that OMD was a good move. =] And I contend that even if some good can come out of an action. It doesn't make that action itself good far from it. OMD was the last nail that ended my respect for Marvel as publishing company forever. I understand your point and you are correct. But if MJ return to Pete's life, then all will be solved. I mean it was not something it can not change. Everyone is upset for that because MJ has gone away. But it's only a matter of time until she return. Also, as Nexus of Light said, this event shows that even a hero can make big mistakes like every human. No one is perfect. Btw, you don't read anything from Marvel at all? =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 19:34:38 GMT -5
I understand your point and you are correct. But if MJ return to Pete's life, then all will be solved. No it won't... Peter Parker, the one hero except Steve I could always trust to do the right thing was still written as willingly selling to Marvel's Satan his soul and freely allowing him to screw with the metaphysical fabric of the universe, just so he could save the life of his dying million year old aunt that wanted to die anyway he wasn't ready to let go instead of being shown to actually have become the man he's supposed to be and accept it. And all this was a part of a retarded story where a simple bullet wound was written as beyond the powers of the fucking Sorcerer Supreme's power to heal and Read Richard's power to do something. Fuck you Quesada, fuck you with a rusted morningstar! I mean it was not something it can not change. Everyone is upset for that because MJ has gone away. But it's only a matter of time until she return. I don't care if she returns or not. I care about good writing and characters acting like they are supposed to be. If that means that the storyline leads to a point where MJ divorces Peter and marries Iron Fist and they stay married forever. I'm fine with that. If it's well written, it's character and world advancement. What every good story requires. And saying that the Sorcerer Supreme cannot heal a bullet wound when he created a save disk of all reality is something I will never accept. Btw, you don't read anything from Marvel at all? =] Only the stuff I bought prior to abandoning Marvel forever, every now and then.
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 19:48:03 GMT -5
You have made a good point, but there is something that you should read more carefully. Pete would accept the fact that Aunt May would die, if it was something natural. But the fact that she was dying, it's because he revealed his identity. He felt that it was his fault and he wanted to do something about it. Also when he made the deal with the Satan, him and MJ knew that someday they will be together again. They didn't accept something that can not be solved. The point that you made about Dr Strange and Reed is good. But all happened for the plot so Pete's life could change for a while. This is the good thing i see from OMD.
As i said you are right about it. But as you can see, my pint was not a well written story. My point were the results of that story. And the results were good. I can agree that OMD it was bad written but with good results. That is what i liked from OMD. =]
I see. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 19:59:50 GMT -5
You have made a good point, but there is something that you should read more carefully. Pete would accept the fact that Aunt May would die, if it was something natural. But the fact that she was dying, it's because he revealed his identity. He felt that it was his fault and he wanted to do something about it. It doesn't matter why, it was out of character, terribly written and character derailment. It's a story built on WIS where characters that can rewrite reality with a casual wave of their hands were written as powerless so the plot could happen. And his aunt told him to let her go. The whole fucking world was telling him to grow a pair and accept death. But noooo! Peter, one of the shinning beacons of morality in the Marvel U was written as making a deal with Satan instead. him and MJ knew that someday they will be together again. They didn't accept something that can not be solved. Right and in doing so, instead of acting like adults they were written as basically opening the door to Satan to rewrite reality. No, that is not forgivable. And they can't be sure that they will be together again. He's fucking Mephisto, if a devil of this caliber can't screw this deal over forever then he's not the real Mephisto. And again the fact was Peter was written as acting like dick when the whole universe was telling him to just take it like a man. But all happened for the plot so Pete's life could change for a while. A good writer doesn't need to ruin 20 years of storylines, WIS and character derailment for his character's life to change. He builds upon what he has and brings the story to a new chapter, that is all... I can agree that OMD it was bad written but with good results. That is what i liked from OMD. The results aren't at all good if you look at the bigger picture and the implications, or Quesada's actions and motives.
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 20:17:29 GMT -5
@crom: After reading your post Crom, i see that you are right. It seems that this should not happen like this because it completely ruins the character, his morals, his powers and his whole life. But i still like the results that it was BND. Even if Q's actions or motives were different, we had some good story arcs. But i concede. The way that OMD was written it was horrible. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Nov 14, 2010 20:24:33 GMT -5
But i still like the results that it was BND. we had some good story arcs. I think a better way to phrase what you are saying is that you like the stories that followed OMD and that because it's a follow up in the storyline, then it a way it was a result. That is alright. I haven't read them, but if you like them good, keep reading then and have fun. That's the point. I just can't accept the manner by which they executed this transition.
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Post by spidey_17 on Nov 14, 2010 20:35:35 GMT -5
I see Crom and i understand. =]
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Post by NexusOfLight on Nov 14, 2010 22:49:45 GMT -5
I've read through all the reasons for the hate before, and sure I can see a lot of it's justified, but that still doesn't change how I feel about it. I think One More Day was a good story in and of itself, regardless of the reasons it was written for, in spite of the effects its caused be they good or bad, and whether or not I'm the only one in comic fandom who enjoyed it. The reasons why I enjoyed it are posted here. I'm pretty sure you can take a guess at who I am.
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