spidey_17
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 13, 2010 19:54:02 GMT -5
Peter does not know he did it because he never did it.
Making a deal under specific circumstances that force him to do it means nothing since the results of this deal is that this deal never happened...lol
So basically Pete, never did something out of character. But even like that, this instance it was pretty much like PIS. Completely out of character....
That instance was as valid as spider-man's fight with firelord...
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 20:00:36 GMT -5
Peter does not know he did it because he never did it. Yes he did and because of it, Mephisto was given free reign to rewrite reality. And now reality is different, and Mephisto knows what the original reality is, and it's one where Peter will make deals with him. Making a deal under specific circumstances that force him to do it means nothing since the results of this deal is that this deal never happened...lol He never had to do it, he could have accepted May's death like a man. And it did happen, otherwise reality who never have been rewritten. There's no wiggling out of it, Peter made a deal with the Devil and because of it, the Devil was given permission to screw reality, who knows what else he did. If you think Peter or Mary Jane were the winners in this deal, you clearly don't know how Satan works. So basically Pete, never did something out of character. But even like that, this instance it was pretty much like PIS. Completely out of character.... Yes he did, in fact it is canon in comics that both know they were married and that they were in love. Mary knows they made the deal. And Mephisto in hell knows it and is laughing his ass off. Because he played them both like puppets and they willingly allowed him to do exactly what he wanted. There is no wiggling out of it. Peter opened the door for Satan and handed him the keys to the marvel universe. Now just wait until a competent writers understands the implications and uses that. See how much painful a knife Mephisto will turn in an open wound because of that one. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 13, 2010 20:13:11 GMT -5
Ugghh..again Peter was the one responsible for his aunt's shot. Even he stated that if it was not for that, he would accept her death. But having in his mind that he was the responsible fo the death of one of the most important persons in his life, then someone appearing and giving him the chance to prevent that death and then having his wife to accept that deal, then i think Pete was pretty much at his limits. And it was still out of character.
Also if you believe that Pete would make deals with the devil if he is t his limits, then it seems that you also believe that Dr Strange s unable to heal a bullet wound. Both are equally bad imo.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 20:21:16 GMT -5
And it was still out of character. It would have been if further storylines did not reinforce that he did do it because Marvel is sticking to it's guns on that one and building/writing based on it, referencing it. It was a WTF out of character moment when it happened. But then the writers decided it wasn't and ran with it, they still are. That's the problem. And as to Doctor Strange, the only possible logical in-universe explanations are: 1-Doctor Strange hates Aunt May and so lied so she would die. 2-Some greater cosmic force is at work, and that's why Strange couldn't do anything, because greater forces are at work whom either necessitate the death of May or actively prevent Strange from doing something he could normally do effortlessly. Like I said, only an out of universe retcon with the writers explicitly saying it never happened will wipe that one. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 13, 2010 20:48:08 GMT -5
Just because other things it was based on that event, it does not mean it is not out of character. There are things that are based on PIS events, it does not mean they are not PIS.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 20:51:09 GMT -5
Just because other things it was based on that event, it does not mean it is not out of character. There are things that are based on PIS events, it does not mean they are not PIS. =] when the entire universe, every character inside and every writer says it is. Then there is a problem because PIS loses it's PIS value when the whole universe gets written with it being accepted as not PIS. Spider-Man was my second favorite marvel hero. I suffered the clone saga unscathed and still liked him. But then this happened. |
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 13, 2010 21:08:32 GMT -5
Just because other things it was based on that event, it does not mean it is not out of character. There are things that are based on PIS events, it does not mean they are not PIS. =] when the entire universe, every character inside and every writer says it is. Then there is a problem because PIS loses it's PIS value when the whole universe gets written with it being accepted as not PIS. Spider-Man was my second favorite marvel hero. I suffered the clone saga unscathed and still liked him. But then this happened. Again that does not mean it's not PIS. If you compare the multiple showings where spidey has shown how amazing hero he is, with that one, you will realize that it's fucking stupid. Just because things are based on it it does not make it acceptable, at least for me. =] |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 21:16:14 GMT -5
Just because things are based on it it does not make it acceptable, at least for me. =] except, it's not just "things based on it" it's the entire marvel universe, every writer and editor as well as all canon taking it seriously and building on it. And that saddens me because then the implications are staggering, it means there is a breaking point where you can't count on Peter anymore. Fuck you Quesada! You ruined Spider-Man. |
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Post by InnerVenom123 on Dec 13, 2010 21:53:28 GMT -5
Everyone deals with death differently. Peter turned into a fucking lunatic, absolutely desperate beyond rationality. Clearly.  NAH, this debate's gonna go on forever. |
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Post by masterprime64 on Dec 13, 2010 21:54:27 GMT -5
FREAKING OMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by masterprime64 on Dec 13, 2010 21:58:24 GMT -5
He pretty much said Fuck you Uncle Ben
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 21:59:06 GMT -5
Yes, what he did there was terrible.
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Post by masterprime64 on Dec 13, 2010 22:00:34 GMT -5
So much for '''With great power, comes great responsability'' Omd was basically him ignoring that and saying Fuck you. Grow up Pete. If you're aunt has to die, then let her die.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 22:01:51 GMT -5
word. But what they did to Peter did not piss me off as much as what they did to Doctor Strange.
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Post by masterprime64 on Dec 13, 2010 22:03:20 GMT -5
What happened? Make him look hopeless?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 22:06:36 GMT -5
They made the sorcerer supreme powerless to heal a bullet wound. The guy who created a save disk for reality was made powerless against a mundane bullet. that was not right.
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Post by InnerVenom123 on Dec 13, 2010 22:07:24 GMT -5
"Magical cures for magical ails" was the excuse.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 13, 2010 22:07:53 GMT -5
And it was a terrible excuse.
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Post by spidey_17 on Dec 13, 2010 22:08:22 GMT -5
@crom: And again, the whole universe being built on that it does not make it part of Pete's character. Not at all. Try to think what Pete has done all these years and you will realize how much peace of crap it was and how much out of character was that.
@soldier: Ughh..... And again having one of the most important people of your life being in hospital because of a stupid move that you did during a stupid registration and then having the chance to solve that and at the same time having your wife trying to convince you to do it.....
Seriously, i hate when people blame Peter so much for that. No offence for anyone, but it's stupid....-___-
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Post by masterprime64 on Dec 13, 2010 22:09:07 GMT -5
Whats it PIS or WIS?
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