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Post by Power NeXus on Jun 26, 2011 16:46:29 GMT -5
Yeah, but then I didn't give a damn about toad. ;D OH NO YOU DI'INT!
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 17:16:09 GMT -5
LMAO PN.
Tangential, I caught a SW:CW episode today. Say what you will about it, but watching Dooku take Ventress and Maul Clone to school in his distinctly calm, British manner was just awesome.
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 17:38:48 GMT -5
Dooku regularly schools his underlings. Ventress and Grievous have been wrecked by him plenty of times.
As for the Maul clone, Savage, I have not watched any episodes with him yet. I am really behind on that show. Like, three seasons behind.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 17:54:52 GMT -5
I thought you hated the show. Or was that JXM?
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 18:23:41 GMT -5
I thought you hated the show. Or was that JXM? We both do.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 26, 2011 18:40:11 GMT -5
Ah. I've only seen very little of the show, so mind expanding on why?
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Post by Pirateking69 on Jun 26, 2011 19:07:38 GMT -5
I haven't watched the show in a while had a good discussion about it with JediX and lost some will to watch it after talking with him lol Did like Kit Fisto fight with Grievous..and how Dooku stomps most that come at him.
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 21:06:57 GMT -5
I thought you hated the show. Or was that JXM? We both do. I do not hate the show. I have complaints with it, like the clones having too much individuality or the Jedi acting a little less mature because the show is catered to a younger audience. Not a huge fan, but I can let it pass.
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 22:10:09 GMT -5
Ah. I've only seen very little of the show, so mind expanding on why? Spits on continuity, too toned-down for the kiddies, predictable, the Republic wins too often. I have a strong resentment when things not really meant for kids are made for kids. It pisses me off and alienates fans. I do not hate the show. I have complaints with it, like the clones having too much individuality or the Jedi acting a little less mature because the show is catered to a younger audience. Not a huge fan, but I can let it pass. My mistake. I am the one who hates it. All I desire is to see some of Season 3 for Delta Squad.
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Post by Silver on Jun 26, 2011 22:18:52 GMT -5
My mistake. I am the one who hates it. All I desire is to see some of Season 3 for Delta Squad. All good. The show is not a priority for me currently though. And as for the comic and novel spin-offs of it, I am just not interested. What bothers me is that this show is becoming so huge and is branching into other mediums (comics and novels, as I said) that it is being received as the defining story lines for the Clone Wars, and that is just not true. Star Wars Republic and the Clone Wars novels went to great lengths showing the various events of the Clone Wars. I would rather they not be overshadowed by something of lower quality. By the way, no response on my posts on the previous page?
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 26, 2011 22:26:50 GMT -5
That show isn't very good IMO.
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Post by JediXMan on Jun 26, 2011 23:07:07 GMT -5
I already replied to that one, I think. This was your last message, and I had not replied yet. 1. True. Good point. Hm. It is an interesting concept that they could gain power from being bound to a dark place while in the form of a spirit. It almost goes directly against the Sith and drifts into the Jedi philosophy. The Sith avoid death at all cost, while Jedi believe they become more powerful / gain wisdom when they become One with the Force. It's possible that the key to the power the Sith seek lies in controlling death, not avoiding it. 2. Definitely something I would like to see more of. I would also like to see the events leading to and including the Hundred-Year Darkness. That time is just so vague when referenced to. All we get are teasing passages and pictures from that time. Well, on the subject of Sith spirits in dark side places, sure. But the invisibility of Sith spirits is something new. So if you could give your thoughts on that, I would appreciate it. 1. Just to expand on what I was saying about Sidious, while he did project himself back to Byss more than once, he traveled for light years. It was not as simple as just moving across a room or a temple or something of the like. He went from Endor to Byss, literally halfway across the galaxy, as a roaming Essence. Freedon Nadd traveled the galaxy with Exar Kun, but he was a special case, considering the dark siders on Onderon resurrected Nadd's spirit from Chaos (and I will never understand how that is possible). Not to mention, Nadd traveled the galaxy, seemingly, by ship. And like we already said, he only moved to places with heavy dark side sources. Of course, all of this derails back to Sidious just being Sidious. He can break the Essence Transfer rules for no real reason, but my point is still valid. He crossed star systems, not just instantly arrived at his place of power. It took him a year to move from Endor to Byss and a few months for him to move from Da Soocha V to Byss. Your theory about avoiding death is interesting. In the case of someone like Exar Kun, he really had no choice though. The Jedi used an immense-scale Wall of Light to ravage the surface of Yavin. So he was left with no other option except to bond his Essence to his temples. Nihilus, of course, anchored his spirit to his armor, but he was a special case too. Ragnos and Sadow possessed tombs or talismans. Bane attempted to possess Zannah. Palpatine simply employed an avoidance of death. I think your theory makes sense. 2. Agreed completely. I would like to read more about the ancient Sith. I would not like to trail back too far though. One of the intricacies of Star Wars canon is that there are some events and stories that are ambiguous, and the only information we have on them is off-hand accounts or descriptions in sourcebooks. That makes them seem more interesting because, quite simply, it is just so ancient that it may never be revealed. 1. Well, on invisibility, it makes sense that if they're bound, they can become invisible. Perhaps the thought that they have somewhere to "go into," if you will, while others are free spirits with nowhere to hide. Sidious may have had more freedom of movement, but Nadd was stronger while in Essence form and could travel much faster. Palpatine also did nothing while in that form. It's also note worthy that Palpatine spent a great deal of time preparing for his own death. We don't know about Nadd. Kun knew, but hadn't planned for it. It was just a spur-of-the-moment thing to save his hide. Nihilus is extremely vague, and we know nothing of what he did. We actually did discuss Nihilus at great lengths in the Nihilus vs Kun thread on the Vine. 2. I'm not asking for much. There should indeed be some ambiguity, but I would like something. Maybe a solo novel. My mistake. I am the one who hates it. All I desire is to see some of Season 3 for Delta Squad. All good. The show is not a priority for me currently though. And as for the comic and novel spin-offs of it, I am just not interested. What bothers me is that this show is becoming so huge and is branching into other mediums (comics and novels, as I said) that it is being received as the defining story lines for the Clone Wars, and that is just not true. Star Wars Republic and the Clone Wars novels went to great lengths showing the various events of the Clone Wars. I would rather they not be overshadowed by something of lower quality. By the way, no response on my posts on the previous page? I would not mind if the Clone Wars show was considered non-canon. Same for the Force Unleashed. But they are and it pisses me off.
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Post by Silver on Jun 27, 2011 0:09:10 GMT -5
1. Well, on invisibility, it makes sense that if they're bound, they can become invisible. Perhaps the thought that they have somewhere to "go into," if you will, while others are free spirits with nowhere to hide. Sidious may have had more freedom of movement, but Nadd was stronger while in Essence form and could travel much faster. Palpatine also did nothing while in that form. It's also note worthy that Palpatine spent a great deal of time preparing for his own death. We don't know about Nadd. Kun knew, but hadn't planned for it. It was just a spur-of-the-moment thing to save his hide. Nihilus is extremely vague, and we know nothing of what he did. We actually did discuss Nihilus at great lengths in the Nihilus vs Kun thread on the Vine. 2. I'm not asking for much. There should indeed be some ambiguity, but I would like something. Maybe a solo novel. 1. Maybe, but Palpatine was free to roam, and Luke appeared to have trouble tracking him. I still think Sith spirits are untraceable through the Force across the board. Not sure how Nadd is stronger in Essence form. As I said, most of his feats while in that state were at places like Korriban or the Empress Teta system (where the Ketos were practicing dark side magic), which had heavy dark side energies lingering there. Not sure about him traveling faster either. He seemed to travel by ship alongside Kun. Sidious traveled through space under his own accord. Besides, Sidious preparing for his own death was only because Plagueis never taught him Essence Transfer, as far I know. He knew Midichlorian Manipulation instead, but since Sidious never learned that power, he had to discover an alternate method of preserving himself. And really, only his first death was prepared for. His death over Pinnacle Base or on Onderon were unseen. He could use Transfer Essence voluntarily or involuntarily. As far as I can tell, Sith spirits are not necessarily more or less powerful than one another. They just may have a varying degree of dark side potency because of the individual Sith's power level and will, which could make them easier or harder to banish. Agreed on Nihilus and Kun. 2. Freedon Nadd is one Sith I have waited for a novel on for a long time. We will have a Darth Plagueis novel next year though. I would not mind if the Clone Wars show was considered non-canon. Same for the Force Unleashed. But they are and it pisses me off. I would not mind that either.
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Post by Silver on Jun 30, 2011 2:36:05 GMT -5
I just feel like bumping this because I refuse to let XMan leave without finishing our discussion. Just for the sake of possibly starting another conversation though, did anyone here know that in the Empire Strikes Back novel, Yoda was blue instead of green. ;D
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 30, 2011 2:41:45 GMT -5
I just feel like bumping this because I refuse to let XMan leave without finishing our discussion. Just for the sake of possibly starting another conversation though, did anyone here know that in the Empire Strikes Back novel, Yoda was blue instead of green. ;D 1. I love your avatar 2. That makes me happy, as my last name is blue
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jun 30, 2011 2:50:01 GMT -5
Which Ledger could you picture as each Counsel member? Yoda=Morph Mace=Erik Plo=Dane etc. Attachments:
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Post by Silver on Jun 30, 2011 3:21:06 GMT -5
I just feel like bumping this because I refuse to let XMan leave without finishing our discussion. Just for the sake of possibly starting another conversation though, did anyone here know that in the Empire Strikes Back novel, Yoda was blue instead of green. ;D 1. I love your avatar 2. That makes me happy, as my last name is blue 1. Thanks. 2. Ah, cool. But still...Yoda was blue. Which Ledger could you picture as each Counsel member? Yoda=Morph Mace=Erik Plo=Dane etc. Honestly, I think Morph would be more like Oppo Rancisis, Ki'Adi Mundi, or Obi-Wan than Yoda. Kit Fisto (he was not featured in the picture you posted but was a Council member later) would be Spidey because of his trademark smile. Saesee Tiin might be Vance, since he relies on his strength and his tougher tactics. Plo Koon is aggressive as well though; so he might be similar to Vance also.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jun 30, 2011 3:23:41 GMT -5
Yoda being blue would have been pretty weird. Thankfully someone (probably Jim Hansen) had the brains to tell them to go with a natural color...
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Post by Silver on Jun 30, 2011 3:30:52 GMT -5
Yoda being blue would have been pretty weird. Thankfully someone (probably Jim Hansen) had the brains to tell them to go with a natural color... I agree. Part of the intrigue with Yoda is the image he presents, and even his species' color adds to that.
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Post by Geraldthesloth on Jun 30, 2011 3:35:29 GMT -5
Blue Yoda, I think I'm gonna throw up.
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