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Post by JediXMan on Jul 6, 2011 21:52:04 GMT -5
Wasn't "terrible," but it left me wanting some more. There's also one thing with Darth Krayt that pissed me off and probably will piss you off.
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Post by Silver on Jul 6, 2011 22:06:09 GMT -5
Well, I am not a huge fan of Krayt. So probably.
I just made an Exar Kun respect thread here. I have already made ones for Nihilus, Sidious, and Gethzerion (I created one for her because I put her in a battle thread and used it as reference). I have also added feats for the Fetts and Durge respect threads. Who else should have a respect thread?
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 6, 2011 22:19:50 GMT -5
Nihilus deserves one.
SPOILER:
They hinted that Krayt might know essence transfer. Not proven, but hinted.
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Post by Silver on Jul 6, 2011 22:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 6, 2011 23:34:49 GMT -5
Apparently, the writers forgot. He claims that Darth Andeddu and Karness Muur "taught" him. How I have no idea. Andeddu outright refused and he didn't have contact with Muur outside of confronting Celeste Morne. While it's hinted that the voice is in Cade's head and not actually Krayt, I doubt this. Two reasons: 1. When would Cade have heard of Darth Andeddu? Not a famous Sith. And I doubt they studied Sith Lords when he was at the Jedi Temple. Same reason they never talked about Darth Plagueis. 2. Where would he have learned of essence transfer? Again, I doubt they studied Sith powers at the temple and he's not one for reading and research on his own.
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Post by Silver on Jul 6, 2011 23:55:09 GMT -5
Apparently, the writers forgot. He claims that Darth Andeddu and Karness Muur "taught" him. How I have no idea. Andeddu outright refused and he didn't have contact with Muur outside of confronting Celeste Morne. While it's hinted that the voice is in Cade's head and not actually Krayt, I doubt this. Two reasons: 1. When would Cade have heard of Darth Andeddu? Not a famous Sith. And I doubt they studied Sith Lords when he was at the Jedi Temple. Same reason they never talked about Darth Plagueis. 2. Where would he have learned of essence transfer? Again, I doubt they studied Sith powers at the temple and he's not one for reading and research on his own. I agree with all of this. Sounds suspect for Krayt to have learned it from them. I meant to ask you about something. Do you know what the name of the power is that allows a Force sensitive to render themselves immovable? Luke and Valin Horn have done this before, but I have no idea what that power is called. Also, do you know what ability it is that allows them to influence machinery? Not Ionize, like Luke did in Dark Empire or Arca Jeth did in TotJ, but to actually control, activate, or deactivate technological functions. Luke has done this in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor when he triggered specific functions on the Falcon just using the Force and in the Courtship of Princess Leia when he flew the Falcon without handling any of the controls and maneuvered it with more precision and skill than was possible for two pilots. Kyp Durron also did this in Champions of the Force when he reactivated the Sun Crusher after Han and Lando used the prior link between the Falcon and the Sun Crusher to shut it down. Now, it may have been that Kyp simply drew on Exar Kun's teachings to manage this, while Luke used the light side instead. I just have no idea what powers relate to influencing machinery.
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 7, 2011 1:34:47 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. Sounds suspect for Krayt to have learned it from them. I meant to ask you about something. Do you know what the name of the power is that allows a Force sensitive to render themselves immovable? Luke and Valin Horn have done this before, but I have no idea what that power is called. Also, do you know what ability it is that allows them to influence machinery? Not Ionize, like Luke did in Dark Empire or Arca Jeth did in TotJ, but to actually control, activate, or deactivate technological functions. Luke has done this in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor when he triggered specific functions on the Falcon just using the Force and in the Courtship of Princess Leia when he flew the Falcon without handling any of the controls and maneuvered it with more precision and skill than was possible for two pilots. Kyp Durron also did this in Champions of the Force when he reactivated the Sun Crusher after Han and Lando used the prior link between the Falcon and the Sun Crusher to shut it down. Now, it may have been that Kyp simply drew on Exar Kun's teachings to manage this, while Luke used the light side instead. I just have no idea what powers relate to influencing machinery. The first one I am unsure of. Could involve Force Absorb, deflection, protection, or a combination thereof. But the exact name I do not know. As for the second, I believe it is called Mechu Deru, or something to that affect. But that is a form of Sith Alchemy, so I doubt that it is the same thing Luke used. Now I have heard of the term technokinesis, but never in Star Wars.
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 1:51:36 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. Sounds suspect for Krayt to have learned it from them. I meant to ask you about something. Do you know what the name of the power is that allows a Force sensitive to render themselves immovable? Luke and Valin Horn have done this before, but I have no idea what that power is called. Also, do you know what ability it is that allows them to influence machinery? Not Ionize, like Luke did in Dark Empire or Arca Jeth did in TotJ, but to actually control, activate, or deactivate technological functions. Luke has done this in Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor when he triggered specific functions on the Falcon just using the Force and in the Courtship of Princess Leia when he flew the Falcon without handling any of the controls and maneuvered it with more precision and skill than was possible for two pilots. Kyp Durron also did this in Champions of the Force when he reactivated the Sun Crusher after Han and Lando used the prior link between the Falcon and the Sun Crusher to shut it down. Now, it may have been that Kyp simply drew on Exar Kun's teachings to manage this, while Luke used the light side instead. I just have no idea what powers relate to influencing machinery. The first one I am unsure of. Could involve Force Absorb, deflection, protection, or a combination thereof. But the exact name I do not know. As for the second, I believe it is called Mechu Deru, or something to that affect. But that is a form of Sith Alchemy, so I doubt that it is the same thing Luke used. Now I have heard of the term technokinesis, but never in Star Wars. Alright. Could be that Kyp and Irek Ismaren (another user of the technopathy power) used Mechu-Deru, but as you said, it is unlikely Luke did. I have been searching through sourcebooks and Wookieepedia's Force power list to find these and have yet to do so. Near as I can tell, these are unnamed powers, but I cannot understand how any power would be unnamed. There are powers that are just redundancies of other powers, like Alter Environment and Force Storm (the weather power, not the wormhole) or Force Sense, Vision, and Farseeing. There are also numerous telepathic abilities I have never seen named before. For instance, Luke has demonstrated astral projection before (he did this in the Truce at Bakura and Dark Empire; just to clarify, in DE, this is not referring to his Doppelganger but to the vision he appeared to Leia in when he communicated with her). He has also controlled other's emotions (he has done this to Han and to a Gamorrean, Ugbuz, for instance); this may just be an off-shoot of the Mind Trick though. Luke has also undone brainwashing and restored forgotten memories in Dev (once again in Bakura). Now, Memory Rub is a power that allows the user to wipe minds, but this is only a dark side power, IIRC. But Luke and Jaina have learned this power and Kyp Durron while as a light sider as well. So if there is a light side variation, I have never heard of it, unless Memory Rub is a universal power. There are others. Thankfully though, all of these can just be classified as Telepathy of some form. So it is not completely unnamed, just unspecified.
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 7, 2011 3:06:42 GMT -5
The first one I am unsure of. Could involve Force Absorb, deflection, protection, or a combination thereof. But the exact name I do not know. As for the second, I believe it is called Mechu Deru, or something to that affect. But that is a form of Sith Alchemy, so I doubt that it is the same thing Luke used. Now I have heard of the term technokinesis, but never in Star Wars. Alright. Could be that Kyp and Irek Ismaren (another user of the technopathy power) used Mechu-Deru, but as you said, it is unlikely Luke did. I have been searching through sourcebooks and Wookieepedia's Force power list to find these and have yet to do so. Near as I can tell, these are unnamed powers, but I cannot understand how any power would be unnamed. There are powers that are just redundancies of other powers, like Alter Environment and Force Storm (the weather power, not the wormhole) or Force Sense, Vision, and Farseeing. There are also numerous telepathic abilities I have never seen named before. For instance, Luke has demonstrated astral projection before (he did this in the Truce at Bakura and Dark Empire; just to clarify, in DE, this is not referring to his Doppelganger but to the vision he appeared to Leia in when he communicated with her). He has also controlled other's emotions (he has done this to Han and to a Gamorrean, Ugbuz, for instance); this may just be an off-shoot of the Mind Trick though. Luke has also undone brainwashing and restored forgotten memories in Dev (once again in Bakura). Now, Memory Rub is a power that allows the user to wipe minds, but this is only a dark side power, IIRC. But Luke and Jaina have learned this power and Kyp Durron while as a light sider as well. So if there is a light side variation, I have never heard of it, unless Memory Rub is a universal power. There are others. Thankfully though, all of these can just be classified as Telepathy of some form. So it is not completely unnamed, just unspecified. I hate the fact that Force Storm can refer to so many things. The Wormhole, the weather, and that "powerful lightning" (in KOTOR II. Name isn't canon, of course). Kind of unoriginal. Can't they come up with a different name? I would say that Mind Rub is universal. Or it could be counted as a gateway power. A Dark power used by Light users but with a level of control so that they are not pulled down. Like Kyle Katarn's use of lightning (is this canon or game mechanics, you think?)
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 7, 2011 7:08:04 GMT -5
That's why I couldn't find it. I was looking for this in Dark Horse. But guess it makes sense since they do more than just comics.
Anyway. I've was working on a fan-fic a few years ago. My character was of the race, Miraluka. I was wondering what will be good to read of their habitat, personal traits, connection to the force etc.
Anything will be appreciated.
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 11:32:14 GMT -5
I hate the fact that Force Storm can refer to so many things. The Wormhole, the weather, and that "powerful lightning" (in KOTOR II. Name isn't canon, of course). Kind of unoriginal. Can't they come up with a different name? I know what you mean. Let's be honest though, Storm is awesome in KOTOR. Storm, Death Field, and Wave are three of the most fun powers there are in that game. As for whether Kyle knew Lightning or not, I am unsure. I need to read the novelizations of Dark Forces. I would say that Mind Rub is universal. Or it could be counted as a gateway power. A Dark power used by Light users but with a level of control so that they are not pulled down. Like Kyle Katarn's use of lightning (is this canon or game mechanics, you think?) This could be. Corran Horn has also mind wiped. And as you know, the Jedi Council completely erased Revan's memory altogether and implanted new ones. I think it becomes a dark side practice when it is used the way that Kyp Durron did while under Exar Kun's influence or how Sidious did. Palpatine stole the memories of millions on Coruscant simply to preserve the location of a Star Destroyer. And Kyp using Memory Rub and Drain Knowledge on Qwi Xux was just brutal. She was a wreck after what he did to her mind.
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 12:18:56 GMT -5
That's why I couldn't find it. I was looking for this in Dark Horse. But guess it makes sense since they do more than just comics.
Anyway. I've was working on a fan-fic a few years ago. My character was of the race, Miraluka. I was wondering what will be good to read of their habitat, personal traits, connection to the force etc.
Anything will be appreciated.
These are sourcebook entries on Miraluka. --Taken from the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook--Taken from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Jul 7, 2011 12:22:54 GMT -5
Thanks, appreciate it.
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Post by JediXMan on Jul 7, 2011 15:06:22 GMT -5
I know what you mean. Let's be honest though, Storm is awesome in KOTOR. Storm, Death Field, and Wave are three of the most fun powers there are in that game. As for whether Kyle knew Lightning or not, I am unsure. I need to read the novelizations of Dark Forces. Well yeah. Wave was the most visually appealing. But Crush = instant win in most fights toward the end. ... man I have to reinstall both KOTOR games on this computer. Haven't gotten the chance. It's been a long time since I read through the Dark Forces trilogy. They weren't bad. I would This could be. Corran Horn has also mind wiped. And as you know, the Jedi Council completely erased Revan's memory altogether and implanted new ones. I think it becomes a dark side practice when it is used the way that Kyp Durron did while under Exar Kun's influence or how Sidious did. Palpatine stole the memories of millions on Coruscant simply to preserve the location of a Star Destroyer. And Kyp using Memory Rub and Drain Knowledge on Qwi Xux was just brutal. She was a wreck after what he did to her mind. Mind Rub could be a more violent form of telepathy. Side note: I still say that the Council during the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War was corrupt. As was the Council during the Clone Wars.
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 15:21:24 GMT -5
Well yeah. Wave was the most visually appealing. But Crush = instant win in most fights toward the end. ... man I have to reinstall both KOTOR games on this computer. Haven't gotten the chance. It's been a long time since I read through the Dark Forces trilogy. They weren't bad. Haha. No argument there. I should read those. I like Kyle, and he is God after all. ]Mind Rub could be a more violent form of telepathy. Side note: I still say that the Council during the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil War was corrupt. As was the Council during the Clone Wars. This is possible.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 7, 2011 15:37:03 GMT -5
I don't think I'd call the council corrupt in either case. Decaying, too bureaucratic (if such a word can be used on an order of warrior monks) and in dire need of reforms, yes, but corrupt per se.
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 15:44:26 GMT -5
Well, "corrupt" may not have been the proper word choice, I agree. I generally describe the Rise of the Empire era Jedi as victims of tradition. They adhered to their old systems without forethought of the results. There were some, like Qui-Gon Jinn, who were pushing for changes in the Jedi code but not many. We can thank Atris for their shortcomings though, that bi%#$.
Thankfully, Luke established his Order with the proper considerations in mind. So go Luke.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 7, 2011 15:48:13 GMT -5
... And then they get wiped out again in a 100 years. Go Jedi. ;D
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Post by Silver on Jul 7, 2011 15:51:53 GMT -5
That is my major complaint with Legacy. It made Luke's Order look like a failure...even though he founded an Order with hundreds to thousands of members, that overcame the Sith Order, multiple dark side cults, the Yuuzhan Vong, a freaking dark side entity that not even the Celestials could dispose of, etc. etc. Because that makes so much sense.... Thanks loads, Legacy.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 7, 2011 16:10:54 GMT -5
I feel you, that is a pretty cop put move, even though I've heard good things about Legacy in general.
And really, A Skywalker saving the galaxy once again is a bit dated, don't you think? ;D
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