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Post by Erik-El on May 2, 2013 22:16:02 GMT -5
Especially under your DM-might. You basically want to kill everyone.
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Post by Dane on May 2, 2013 22:56:00 GMT -5
Man, I'm nice. You didn't have to play in k4tz scenarios man. His were like 'which round will your team die at?' not 'how easily do you win everything?'
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Post by Dane on May 2, 2013 23:01:42 GMT -5
I would actually be interested in doing it but A) I don't think we have enough people and B) D&D takes a long freakin' time to play and I don't honestly understand all the rules involved.
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Post by Dane on May 3, 2013 1:16:26 GMT -5
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 3:09:32 GMT -5
That is pretty dang good.
IM3 was amazing. I only had a few issues with it.
SPOILERS!!!
1) That kid being shoehorned into the movie. I hate overly cute, sad story little boys. Like with Batman Begins, it just pisses me off if you think a movie needs something to, 'dawwww' over.
2) I really didn't like that the bad guys just left Rhodey alone, alive, and in perfect health. These guys are super genius, killer psychopaths that forcibly removed Rhodey from the armor for a murder agenda but when he is standing there after removing the armor, they breathe fire at some stairs he was going for and then pat him on the head so he can recover immediately after they leave to ruin their super evil plans. I mean, what!?
3) I would have liked to have seen Tony get the Extremis. I think that is what they knew everyone was expecting (in fact, they tailored the trailer to look just like that with the operating table part) but they pulled the switcher-o on us and even though it doesn't affect the movie negatively in any way, the geek in me was drooling for it.
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Post by Dane on May 3, 2013 3:29:43 GMT -5
I didn't like the part where they fist-fucked my 3 favorite Iron Man stories in order to make a movie that was pretty much popcorn entertainment.
I mean it was a good movie but it could have done a lot better with the Extremis/Mandarin/Rescue trifecta honestly.
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 10:36:39 GMT -5
I don't know if I would consider Pepper being in Tony's armor for 30 seconds fist-fucking the Rescue story into the movie.
Also, Mandarin has been in so many story arcs, I am not sure which one you are referring to. I felt like this was an Extremis story with the Mandarin as a bait-and-switch. He wasn't even a real character. Which I suppose explains the 10 rings thing. Before seeing the movie, I assumed the Mandarin would have "reorganized" the 10 rings outfit but it seems to be purely coincidence or Aldrich Killian just thought the 10 rings sounded cool and stole the idea.
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 10:41:15 GMT -5
Some people will be disappointed that the Mandarin was not an actual baddie but I'm mostly okay with it. I think he would have made a spectacular villain but really, Aldrich Killian's role was expanded from suicidal, guilt-ridden scientist to being the actual Mandarin in disguise.
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Post by Dane on May 3, 2013 14:58:01 GMT -5
Aldrich Killian is a bastardization of Zeke Stane. Which makes him not the Mandarin at all, who was actually behind Extremis in the first place.
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 15:03:40 GMT -5
Aldrich Killian is a bastardization of Zeke Stane. Which makes him not the Mandarin at all, who was actually behind Extremis in the first place. I must have missed that part because I could have sworn Mandrin was only behind trying to convert Extremis into aerosol form.
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Post by Dane on May 3, 2013 16:18:55 GMT -5
He funded the project and got Maya Hansen in a position to actual create it. He was basically pulling the strings the whole time.
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 16:43:50 GMT -5
Guess I need to go back and read that again.
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Post by Dane on May 3, 2013 21:31:04 GMT -5
Eh, either way it takes Zeke Stane and The Mandarin and neither of them were really shown well.
Let's go through the list:
-Pepper's life being saved after horrible injuries by Tony making her a bespoke suit, it saving her the same way his saved him from shrapnel. -The Mandarin being an interesting character with his own agenda and doomsday plots. -Tony actually getting Extremis and no longer being dependent on the suit for life support, etc. -Zeke Stane's vengeance quest and him wiping out Stark employees en masse. -Tony being forced to kill Mallen (which was actually hard for him in the comics) -Aldrich Killian actually appeared in like 1 page of the comic where he kills himself for regretting what he had created and how it had been used. -Happy dying in hospital and Pepper asking Tony to use Extremis to turn off his life support and end his suffering.
Honestly I think there are a lot more interesting and emotional moments in the comics and I think every character was made worse in the film. Cut it whatever way you want, they took 3 of Iron Man's very best story arcs and butchered them to make 1 pretty good film. They also took all of Iron Man's most interesting villains and made it so they couldn't possibly be a villain in any future films.
I don't think that's good. It was a pretty good movie but I can't say they did a good job there.
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Post by Erik-El on May 3, 2013 22:04:49 GMT -5
If I am being completely honest, I think you are looking for things that are just not there, especially where it concerns Pepper. Nothing was done to Stark's company in this film at all. The only thing Aldrech even tried for of Tony's was his funding at the beginning and that was really only an excuse to lay the groundwork for owning Pepper, who was his old crush. I don't see any parallels for 5 Nightmares, Civil War, or Dark Reign.
Extremis sure, but that was no secret and Mallen wasn't even in this movie. Aldrich Killian's main thug was Eric Savin, a 616 hero who has appeared in 24 issues his entire existence and none of them were Iron Man issues.
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Post by Dane on May 4, 2013 16:17:40 GMT -5
You don't see any connection between Eric Savin in the film and Mallen from the comic book?
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Post by Erik-El on May 4, 2013 16:39:20 GMT -5
You don't see any connection between Eric Savin in the film and Mallen from the comic book? No because the two were nothing alike. Simply being a killer with Extremis is not enough. They didn't have the same ideals, they didn't have the same history, they didn't behave the same, and they didn't interact with Iron Man and his people the same. The only link they have in common was that they were both given Extremis. Not enough to draw a comparison in my opinion. Eric was a war vet/engineer that became a gun for hire because someone gave him his limbs back. Mallen was a white-trash 'survivalist', angry at America because the system killed his parents, that was given a weapon he had no clue how to use or even a target to use it on.
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Post by Dane on May 4, 2013 20:21:33 GMT -5
They both acted the same, looked the same, killed people for kicks and died exactly the same way. If you don't think the movie brutalized Extremis, that's cool. But I think it did.
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Post by Erik-El on May 4, 2013 20:41:52 GMT -5
They both acted the same, looked the same, killed people for kicks and died exactly the same way. If you don't think the movie brutalized Extremis, that's cool. But I think it did. They didn't act the same at all. Mallen was a whiny bitch that suffered some kind of psychological disorder over witnessing his parent's deaths that made him have some kind of 'episode' and he just wanted to kill people that had different views than he did. Eric didn't suffer from this affliction, was cool, collected, and had a twisted sense of humor. They didn't die the same either. In the comic, Mallen whupped Iron Man so bad, Tony was literally dying. Didn't happen in the movie. In the second fight where Eric was killed, he took a chest pulsar beam to the chest. Mallen had his head blown clean off. If you are talking about where Eric was temp killed, I wouldn't consider that similar either. He was shot in the head but his head was still there and he came right back to life. I'm not saying it didn't draw a lot of parallels between the Extremis arc because it is loosely based on it. So I'm actually saying the opposite of what you think I'm saying. I just don't think the other stuff you listed from 5 Nightmares, Civil War, or Dark Reign had anything to do with the movie and I don't think Eric was based on Mallen. If anything, he is just like his comic counterpart, only evil and with Extremis rather than just plain old cybernetics.
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Post by Dane on May 4, 2013 21:02:08 GMT -5
Ok so just to clear up the fight, I'll scan it if I have to but here is how the Tony/Mallen fight goes down.
Tony dances fucking circles around Mallen after his Extremis upgrade, Mallen doesn't land a single fucking hit despite shooting lightning out of his hands Palpatine style. As a last ditch, Mallen wrestles Stark to the ground and tries to tear off his helmet/faceplate. Tony blasts his chest repulsor through Mallen's chest, exactly the same as he does to the guy in the movie, and then blows his head off with both of his gauntlet repulsors for good measure.
The only real difference between the fights is their location and the fact that they didn't have Robert Downey Jnr graphically blast someones skull into tiny pieces on screen. And frankly I'd say that's because they didn't want an 18+ rating.
Mallen had a throwaway personality. Call him an urban terrorist if you want but he was a piece of shit and existed as an example of what technology like Iron Man's (albeit biological engineering over technological engineering) was capable of in the hands of a moron. The character in IM3 isn't different except for a different completely throwaway backstory.
I'm not here to sell you my way of seeing things Erik. They took stories I like and didn't do them much justice. That's it.
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Post by Erik-El on May 4, 2013 23:04:40 GMT -5
I don't get how shooting someone with a chest repulsor blast means one is a ripoff of another, especially when it killed one guy and it didn't kill the other.
I don't think they were bothered about one guy getting his head blown off considering they had no problem blowing the same head open with a repulsor blast already and then showed the body right after, opened head and all.
I honestly don't understand how you managed to tie their personalities together when at no point did they act the same or even similar... unless we are going to say that engaging Tony in h2h suddenly means their personalities are identical or that one kind of piece of shit personality is equal to another.
Mallen was an idiot, Eric wasn't. Mallen had more in common with that nameless idiot that pumped himself with too much Extremis formula and exploded for his 15 seconds of face time.
Why are you getting defensive and aggressive just because I challenged your statement? You had a problem with the movie, I think your problem with it is misplaced and you are injecting things into it that just aren't there. I read the same stories you did, it's not exactly like I'm speaking out of my ass.
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