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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 7, 2011 19:49:19 GMT -5
Catching up on some middle-eastern mythology for research.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 12, 2011 11:15:24 GMT -5
Got anything on Envy and Avarice? Because I've created characters for the others and I want to be able to put some powers to Envy and Avarice.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 12, 2011 14:19:41 GMT -5
Depends what do you want exactly, are you talking about envy and avarice as vices? Personifications or beings associated with it?
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 12, 2011 15:02:26 GMT -5
No as Sins. Being associated with the name only. Because I want to use the supernatural forms later on. Like Lucifer as Pride and such. If I have them in the story then they'll beat my character easily. So I need to build them up in power.
So far I've got Pride: Light Manipulation; Wrath: Kinetic Energy Absorption/discharge; Gluttony: Matter Vaccum; Sloth: Speed Steal; Lust: Pheromone Manipulation.
I just need a power for Envy and Avarice. Something that links to their persona.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 12, 2011 15:02:58 GMT -5
And more knowledge of them will help me create a power or find one.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 12, 2011 17:36:49 GMT -5
Alright, given this is a very vague question I'll just shoot info, pointers and ideas.
Alright, first, the obvious definition:
-Greed (Latin, avaritia), also known as avarice or covetousness, is, like lust and gluttony, a sin of excess. However, greed (as seen by the church) is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote that greed was "a sin against God, just as all mortal sins, in as much as man condemns things eternal for the sake of temporal things." In Dante's Purgatory, the penitents were bound and laid face down on the ground for having concentrated too much on earthly thoughts. "Avarice" is more of a blanket term that can describe many other examples of greedy behavior. These include disloyalty, deliberate betrayal, or treason,[citation needed] especially for personal gain, for example through bribery . Scavenging[citation needed] and hoarding of materials or objects, theft and robbery, especially by means of violence, trickery, or manipulation of authority are all actions that may be inspired by greed. Such misdeeds can include simony, where one profits from soliciting goods within the actual confines of a church.
As defined outside of Christian writings, greed is an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.[1]
-Envy (also called invidiousness) is best defined as an emotion that "occurs when a person lacks another's (perceived) superior quality, achievement, or possession and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked it."[1]
Envy can also derive from a sense of low self-esteem that results from an upward social comparison threatening a person's self image: another person has something that the envier considers to be important to have. If the other person is perceived to be similar to the envier, the aroused envy will be particularly intense, because it signals to the envier that it just as well could have been he or she who had the desired object.[2][3]
Bertrand Russell said envy was one of the most potent causes of unhappiness.[4] It is a universal and most unfortunate aspect of human nature because not only is the envious person rendered unhappy by his envy, but also wishes to inflict misfortune on others. Although envy is generally seen as something negative, Russell also believed that envy was a driving force behind the movement towards democracy and must be endured to achieve a more just social system.[5]
The most powerful demons associated with Envy and Avarice are the following:
For Avarice: It is Mammon, sometime subsumed into Beelzebub, as the demon of Avarice that could when conjured grant unlimited material wealth and temporal power. As could be expect he was also said to be a cunning trickster
He was also said to have power over prophecy (so you could predict the future and get rich off it,)
For Envy: It was leviathan, a powerful demon lord said to be conjured to bloath one's importance, to make one bigger, etc. A gigantic brutish power that allowed one to crush and take by force what one envied to by another. He could give inhuman strenght, if you envied the strenght of another, etc
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Post by masterprime64 on Feb 12, 2011 17:38:36 GMT -5
7 deadly sins?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 12, 2011 21:11:06 GMT -5
sort of.
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Post by masterprime64 on Feb 12, 2011 22:45:42 GMT -5
Cool...For some reason...I'm thinking of Shazam
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 13, 2011 2:41:07 GMT -5
Shazam is one of the reasons why I like them so much.
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 13, 2011 2:47:45 GMT -5
The demons you mentioned, I've already got them down in the supernatural section of my universe. Take Beelzebub, once the SDS are released from their own chambers, then they'll fight the SDS that onyl have the title. The man known as Avarice will fight Beelzebub and Beelzebub will just eat him up: end of fight for him.  |
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Post by Supreme Marvel on Feb 13, 2011 3:09:11 GMT -5
" He was also said to have power over prophecy (so you could predict the future and get rich off it,)" I'm loving that. I might use a precognition power for Avarice. A lot of that is helping me to bring a character and power to light. And the demons part was just icing on the cake. I'm a big fan of Beelzebub in mythology. And in Digimon world he's awesome.  Thanks for the help. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 13, 2011 17:21:51 GMT -5
No problem...
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Post by masterprime64 on Feb 13, 2011 17:23:54 GMT -5
I read that there's some king of dragon on the rock of eternity...is it true?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 13, 2011 17:25:00 GMT -5
I read that there's some king of dragon on the rock of eternity...is it true? Do you mean the rock of eternity in Captain Marvel comics? |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 25, 2011 19:48:05 GMT -5
Celtic mythology is so badass.
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Post by Decoy Elite on Feb 25, 2011 19:49:43 GMT -5
Celtic mythology is so badass. Beowulf type stuff right? (Forgive me, I'm shit with most mythology outside Greek/Roman and some Norse) |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 25, 2011 19:58:41 GMT -5
Beowulf type stuff right? (Forgive me, I'm shit with most mythology outside Greek/Roman and some Norse) Well no, Beowulf is a germanic legend of the sub-culture of the germanic peoples (vikings, saxons, goths etc) the celts are a different culture. Thought they do have many similarities since their cultures were constantly in contact. |
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Post by Decoy Elite on Feb 25, 2011 20:01:14 GMT -5
Beowulf type stuff right? (Forgive me, I'm shit with most mythology outside Greek/Roman and some Norse) Well no, Beowulf is a germanic legend of the sub-culture of the germanic peoples (vikings, saxons, goths etc) the celts are a different culture. Thought they do have many similarities since their cultures were constantly in contact. Tell me more of the Celts then. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 25, 2011 20:03:30 GMT -5
since this is a mythology thread and not a history thread I will answer this in my history thread so as to keep topics here specifically on mythology in general.
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