Brainiac!

[Lord Barbatos]

Apr 9, 2011 11:55:38 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Apr 9, 2011 11:52:33 GMT -5 Lord Barbatos said:

OWAW Brainiac was from the future,more than 75000 years i think

Bwah, you tricked me. I am referring to every version that is an extension of Brainiac's will. But just because someone goes by the name Brainiac, it doesn't mean he's Brainiac I. So, was this guy a future version of Brainiac Prime (as I call him) or a successor?

He's the most powerful and advanced version of Brainiac,he actually tricked Darkseid too,but Uxas got him in the end.I dont fully remember what happened in OWAW mostly due to the fact that it sucked,was very mediocre and a Superman wankfest.Jeph Loeb master minded it ofcourse.

[Morpheus]

Apr 9, 2011 12:03:20 GMT -5 Lord Barbatos said:

Apr 9, 2011 11:55:38 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Bwah, you tricked me. I am referring to every version that is an extension of Brainiac's will. But just because someone goes by the name Brainiac, it doesn't mean he's Brainiac I. So, was this guy a future version of Brainiac Prime (as I call him) or a successor?

He's the most powerful and advanced version of Brainiac,he actually tricked Darkseid too,but Uxas got him in the end.I dont fully remember what happened in OWAW mostly due to the fact that it sucked,was very mediocre and a Superman wankfest.Jeph Loeb master minded it ofcourse.

Oh, then it's possible you're referring to Brainiac 13. I always gathered that's an entirely separate version, but Phantom will likely know more about it.

LOL, Loeb. I'm not surprised.

[Lord Barbatos]

Apr 9, 2011 12:06:28 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Apr 9, 2011 12:03:20 GMT -5 Lord Barbatos said:

He's the most powerful and advanced version of Brainiac,he actually tricked Darkseid too,but Uxas got him in the end.I dont fully remember what happened in OWAW mostly due to the fact that it sucked,was very mediocre and a Superman wankfest.Jeph Loeb master minded it ofcourse.

Oh, then it's possible you're referring to Brainiac 13. I always gathered that's an entirely separate version, but Phantom will likely know more about it.

LOL, Loeb. I'm not surprised.

Yeah 13 that's the one.

[Erik-El]

So if I made a Lex vs Brainiac thread, we all know who would win right?

[Silver]

Wait, so the whole "That was just an avatar" concept now applies to Brainiac?

[Morpheus]

@ erik - Straight fight, or does Lex have the armor? Because I'd go with Brainiac in both scenarios.

Apr 9, 2011 12:29:07 GMT -5 Silver said:

Wait, so the whole "That was just an avatar" concept now applies to Brainiac?

Yes.







The scan I posted earlier is, in fact, the first ever face to face meeting between Superman and Brainiac.

[Phantom Stargrave]

Apr 9, 2011 10:56:25 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Do you mean direct connection (via the various cables in his head) or simply being on-board? Because during the fight there are several instances where he is dosconnected to them cables and he seems still as potent as earlier.
The microbes theory fits pretty well, though. Do you think Brainiac underestimated Supes, Supes was holding back, maybe both?

Just being on board. Or it may as well be a combination of the three (On board, plugged in, microbes) since neither fits all the evidence.

I'd say for sure Supes was holding back, but I'm pretty Sure Brainiac beats him down again later on.

Metron and Darkseid should be definitely smarter than him, given that they can think across different timelines and everything. Metron's chair is what Brainiac's ship wants to be when it grows up.

[Silver]

@morpheus: And......what was the point of that change?

Apr 9, 2011 13:20:04 GMT -5 Phantom Stargrave said:

Metron's chair is what Brainiac's ship wants to be when it grows up.

LOL.

[Supreme Marvel]

Apr 9, 2011 13:23:27 GMT -5 Silver said:

Apr 9, 2011 13:20:04 GMT -5 Phantom Stargrave said:

Metron's chair is what Brainiac's ship wants to be when it grows up.

LOL.

[Morpheus]

Apr 9, 2011 13:20:04 GMT -5 Phantom Stargrave said:

Apr 9, 2011 10:56:25 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Do you mean direct connection (via the various cables in his head) or simply being on-board? Because during the fight there are several instances where he is dosconnected to them cables and he seems still as potent as earlier.
The microbes theory fits pretty well, though. Do you think Brainiac underestimated Supes, Supes was holding back, maybe both?

Just being on board. Or it may as well be a combination of the three (On board, plugged in, microbes) since neither fits all the evidence.

I'd say for sure Supes was holding back, but I'm pretty Sure Brainiac beats him down again later on.

Metron and Darkseid should be definitely smarter than him, given that they can think across different timelines and everything. Metron's chair is what Brainiac's ship wants to be when it grows up.

Brainiac fights Supes again later on in another storyarc? So that I can call PIS on Lex snapping his neck without hesitation.

Funnily enough, I called it PIS even before I knew much of anything about Brainiac, LOL. As for being on-board, he definitely seems more powerful in his place of power ("I am the ship, and the ship is me") but his physical might did not seem to lessen during Sons of Brainiac, and he was far away from his ship there (he didn't go bat-shit insane at the sign of dirt, either :.

The fact that the New Gods have a unique perspective is a bonus, but while it's good in theory, I am unsure on if it practically guarantees that they are indeed smarter. Not saying Brainiac has any epic intellect feats aside from REBELS since the arc that reintroduced him, just that I doubt that, in itself, is the reason I would consider Metron and Darkseid as being smarter. The fact that they hold actual feats over Brainiac is a better one.

[Morpheus]

Apr 9, 2011 13:23:27 GMT -5 Silver said:

@morpheus: And......what was the point of that change?

Apr 9, 2011 13:20:04 GMT -5 Phantom Stargrave said:

Metron's chair is what Brainiac's ship wants to be when it grows up.

LOL.

1) Make Brainiac appear more badass than ever.
2) It was written by Johns, he just can't help it.

[Silver]

Apr 9, 2011 13:30:40 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Apr 9, 2011 13:23:27 GMT -5 Silver said:

@morpheus: And......what was the point of that change?


LOL.

1) Make Brainiac appear more badass than ever.
2) It was written by Johns, he just can't help it.

1) I guess, but if he has been less impressive after that change, it seems a little counterproductive.
2) Hmm.

[Phantom Stargrave]

Apr 9, 2011 13:29:53 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Brainiac fights Supes again later on in another storyarc? So that I can call PIS on Lex snapping his neck without hesitation.

Oh read to the end of New Krypton. You'll have evidence for both sides. Seriously.

Funnily enough, I called it PIS even before I knew much of anything about Brainiac, LOL. As for being on-board, he definitely seems more powerful in his place of power ("I am the ship, and the ship is me") but his physical might did not seem to lessen during Sons of Brainiac, and he was far away from his ship there (he didn't go bat-shit insane at the sign of dirt, either :.

Maybe Colu is naturally germ free? Either way, it's not really like he faced Supermen in that arc or anything.

The fact that the New Gods have a unique perspective is a bonus, but while it's good in theory, I am unsure on if it practically guarantees that they are indeed smarter. Not saying Brainiac has any epic intellect feats aside from REBELS since the arc that reintroduced him, just that I doubt that, in itself, is the reason I would consider Metron and Darkseid as being smarter. The fact that they hold actual feats over Brainiac is a better one.

I was talking about feats as well. Both Final Crisis and Superman/Batman (Yes, Loeb's run) had Metron and Darkseid playing chess across several different timelines.

[Morpheus]

1) I guess, but if he has been less impressive after that change, it seems a little counterproductive.
2) Hmm.

1) It hasn't been counterproductive, though. I don't believe Brainiac was supposed to be as strong, or even stronger than Superman, but that is the general impression from his revamp storyarc, which, in combination to his intellect could be deadly. Losing to Lex is simply jobbing.
2) You know it to be true.

Oh read to the end of New Krypton. You'll have evidence for both sides. Seriously.

Excuse me your highness, I can't read that quick but I still want to talk about the character.

Maybe Colu is naturally germ free?

Your inner bald fanboy is showing.

Either way, it's not really like he faced Supermen in that arc or anything.

No, but his musculature remained intact, and he evidently possessed superhuman attributes, so we know that those aspects are, at the very least, not entirely dependant on his contact to the ship.

I was talking about feats as well. Both Final Crisis and Superman/Batman (Yes, Loeb's run) had Metron and Darkseid playing chess across several different timelines.

Remind me to post scans of Metron getting outsmarted by Batman (wasn't it?) during Rock of Ages. A true tactical genius.

Anyway, I'm antagonising for the sake of it. I have no issues with those two being smarter than Brainiac.

[Silver]

Apr 9, 2011 13:43:59 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

1) I guess, but if he has been less impressive after that change, it seems a little counterproductive.
2) Hmm.

1) It hasn't been counterproductive, though. I don't believe Brainiac was supposed to be as strong, or even stronger than Superman, but that is the general impression from his revamp storyarc, which, in combination to his intellect could be deadly. Losing to Lex is simply jobbing.
2) You know it to be true.

1) Alright.
2) That's not true. That's impossible!

No, but seriously, I was actually mumbling to myself about how much Johns annoys me right now. I whole-heartedly agree with his retcon-addiction.

[Morpheus]

It's quite true, but I forgive him because the guy can pull off quality stories nearly in every series he writes. Action Comics and his Superman run in general, is yet another example of that.

[Silver]

I think Johns was better about a decade ago. Some of his stories are still decent now (Sinestro Corp War was good for the most part), but others are just lackluster (Brightest Day). :-\

[Phantom Stargrave]

Apr 9, 2011 13:43:59 GMT -5 Morpheus said:

Excuse me your highness, I can't read that quick but I still want to talk about the character.

I was actually rolling my eyes at Brainiac's inconsistency.

Your inner bald fanboy is showing.

I'm pretty sure I have better things to squee about.

No, but his musculature remained intact, and he evidently possessed superhuman attributes, so we know that those aspects are, at the very least, not entirely dependant on his contact to the ship.

Well, like I said, nothing fits perfectly.

Remind me to post scans of Metron getting outsmarted by Batman (wasn't it?) during Rock of Ages. A true tactical genius.

You say that like Batman wouldn't own all three Brainacs at the same time...

[Morpheus]

I was actually rolling my eyes at Brainiac's inconsistency.

So, where would you rank him overall? As strong as Kal, stronger, weaker but in his weightclass, far weaker?

I'm pretty sure I have better things to squee about.

Jobberseid ftw. ;D

Well, like I said, nothing fits perfectly.

Yeah, I begin to see that. You'd figure there wouldn't be as many inconsistencies in such short time frame. Seriously, it's been less than 3 years.

You say that like Batman wouldn't own all three Brainacs at the same time...

LOL.

I think Johns was better about a decade ago. Some of his stories are still decent now (Sinestro Corp War was good for the most part), but others are just lackluster (Brightest Day). :-\

I haven't followed BD but both Zoom and Phantom seem to concur it's sub-par. BN started well but became pretty boring in the end. I have enjoyed everything up to Agent Orange in his GL run, though.

[greenlantern555]

Do you think that the latest Braniac showing in Action Comics was actually Brainy? Because there is no way that Lex could do that so easily, even if he did "outsmart" him.