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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 14:46:01 GMT -5
Sentry should have walked all over Thor really... Not at all. Thor has feats that outclass Sentry at every level. The only reason Sentry gets so hyped is either bad writing or the suns thing that has absolutely no evidence to back it up. Thor obviously has the better feats..Sentry was created like 10 years ago.Thor was created before I was even born.I'm not "hyping" Sentry.I know what his abilities are.His power is unlimited with mental stability and that's not hyperbole it's proven fact.Thor fought the Void though..not Sentry.Had Sentry been in control of the host that fight wouldn't have gone like that. |
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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 14:47:39 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Marvel characters have been depowered or not. yes it does because it constantly puts them down to where they were before. Thor had at times feats of physical power in the same class as superman here's an example: Check this video, not very good overall but check the feats are canon: Every time any Marvel characters reaches any higher level, they get pulled down again by having their power taken away or they are written to job It doesn't matter because DC's heroes were always stronger than them anyway. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 14:51:39 GMT -5
.I'm not "hyping" Sentry.I know what his abilities are.His power is unlimited with mental stability and that's not hyperbole it's proven fact. what evidence is there to back that up. Nothing he's done puts him at classic thor's level. And have you even checked the video. The feats there are insane and certainly put Thor in the same class as Superman. |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 30, 2010 14:56:44 GMT -5
@crom:
I did not watch the entire video (because I do not have the patience to watch a 10 minute video) but it was not completely accurate. It places limits on Superman where none were indicated in the issues.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 14:58:44 GMT -5
@crom: It places limits on Superman where none were indicated in the issues. theoretical limits are irrelevant. What is relevant is actual feats. All those are canon. I have stated the video is not perfect. But for the purpose of showcasing canon feats. It does speak the truth. Feats actually done clearly put Classic Thor in Superman's class. |
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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 14:59:10 GMT -5
The video says Superman is stronger....
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 15:02:05 GMT -5
The video says Superman is stronger.... Raw muscle power true. But overall, you can't say that superman is in a better class then classic Thor. Thor's potent mystical abilities match Superman's alien powers like eye rays, freezing breath etc. Overall, Marvel has characters that have performed feats on the level of DC all the time. Then the narrative takes away that ability. P.S: first time this debate has ever gone on without trolls. |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 30, 2010 15:02:40 GMT -5
@crom: It places limits on Superman where none were indicated in the issues. theoretical limits are irrelevant. What is relevant is actual feats. All those are canon. I have stated the video is not perfect. But for the purpose of showcasing canon feats. It does speak the truth. Feats actually done clearly put Classic Thor in Superman's class. He is not though. Strength, speed, energy projection, etc are all in Superman's court. Thor would only pose a threat to Superman because of magic. Trade current Superman for a version that is immune to magic like say.... Superboy Prime, and Thor is going to eat it hard. Even if you limited Superboy to current Superman levels of power. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 15:02:53 GMT -5
I agree that some of the feats in the video are off. For one thing, Clark never moved Mageddon in its entirety. He was inside of it moving what was referred to as the infinite wheels of the Mageddon machinery. He never moved the entire war machine, just its internal parts.
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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 15:03:05 GMT -5
.I'm not "hyping" Sentry.I know what his abilities are.His power is unlimited with mental stability and that's not hyperbole it's proven fact. what evidence is there to back that up. Nothing he's done puts him at classic thor's level. And have you even checked the video. The feats there are insane and certainly put Thor in the same class as Superman. Did you read the New Avengers vs. Thunderbolts when Sentry fought Genis Vell? |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 15:04:13 GMT -5
Eh, I think Thor has the advantage in energy projection given certain abilities provided by Mjolnir.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 15:06:04 GMT -5
Did you read the New Avengers vs. Thunderbolts when Sentry fought Genis Vell? No I have not. |
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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 15:06:56 GMT -5
The video says Superman is stronger.... Raw muscle power true. But overall, you can't say that superman is in a better class then classic Thor. Thor's potent mystical abilities match Superman's alien powers like eye rays, freezing breath etc. Overall, Marvel has characters that have performed feats on the level of DC all the time. Then the narrative takes away that ability. P.S: first time this debate has ever gone on without trolls. That goes without saying.You're comparing things that Superman doesn't have.You can't compare Thor's magical abilities to Superman's natural Kryptonian ones.It's not a fair comparison. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 15:07:20 GMT -5
He is not though. Strength, speed, energy projection, etc are all in Superman's court. Thor would only pose a threat to Superman because of magic. Trade current Superman for a version that is immune to magic like say.... Superboy Prime, and Thor is going to eat it hard. Not really such a version is matched by Rune King Thor and Odin Force thor. @silver: if he was inside and didn't really move it. Then it only lessens the feat. |
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 15:08:56 GMT -5
That goes without saying.You're comparing things that Superman doesn't have.You can't compare Thor's magical abilities to Superman's natural Kryptonian ones.It's not a fair comparison. We can compare what he's done with them. Destructive ability, energy manipulation with them etc. source of the power is not as important as result. Thor at Classic levels has overall feats in the class of superman. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 15:09:30 GMT -5
@silver: if he was inside and didn't really move it. Then it only lessens the feat. That was my point. The video misrepresents what Clark actually did. He has numerous impressive strength feats, but the Mageddon feats is misunderstood and, in some ways, unquantifiable. |
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Post by Erik-El on Dec 30, 2010 15:09:31 GMT -5
He is not though. Strength, speed, energy projection, etc are all in Superman's court. Thor would only pose a threat to Superman because of magic. Trade current Superman for a version that is immune to magic like say.... Superboy Prime, and Thor is going to eat it hard. Not really such a version is matched by Rune King Thor and Odin Force thor. @silver: if he was inside and didn't really move it. Then it only lessens the feat. I see your Rune King Thor and raise you Superman Prime. |
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Post by Vance Astro on Dec 30, 2010 15:12:05 GMT -5
Did you read the New Avengers vs. Thunderbolts when Sentry fought Genis Vell? No I have not. Genis transported them to the Microverse so the earth wouldn't be destroyed.He could use his powers freely without consequence.Captain America said "Even though they are both holding back they each wield enough energy to shred worlds". Sentry like Ms.Marvel can increase his own strength with energy absorption.Difference is he doesn't have to touch or be near the source to take energy from it.Also according to the same comic "He can absorb energy from any and everywhere". Also his strength comes from SOLAR energy absorption initially.He does that involuntarily.The more mentally stable he is the more sunlight he absorbs making him stronger.Which is why he was more powerful in his miniseries before he knew what the Void was. |
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Post by Silver on Dec 30, 2010 15:13:35 GMT -5
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Dec 30, 2010 15:17:23 GMT -5
He could use his powers freely without consequence.Captain America said "Even though they are both holding back they each wield enough energy to shred worlds" what Steve says does not make it so. Luthor can say he is invincible, it doesn't make it so. This is the same thing Also according to the same comic "He can absorb energy from any and everywhere". has this been actually seen or is this another character talking without us seeing any proof of it. Also his strength comes from SOLAR energy absorption initially.He does that involuntarily.The more mentally stable he is the more sunlight he absorbs making him stronger.Which is why he was more powerful in his miniseries before he knew what the Void was. Source of power is not as important as feats seen. |
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