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Post by creator on Oct 29, 2012 20:15:31 GMT -5
Jeannette 1st feat: it's difficult to rank a striking feat for strength but not impossible. As the character lacks a kinetic punching power like Iron Fist, I would rate this as a rank 8 or 9 fet. I base this on accomplishments of Spider-Man, Scorpion and Luke Cage. 2nd feat: I am not clear how strong King Shark is. So it's difficult rate. Shark has bitten through steel armour so he has at least rank 7 strength in his jaws (please don't miss that joke ) 3rd feat: WW clearly does not expect her level of super strength so she is staggered when she gets hit. It does make WW's lip bleed to a tiny extent. However now that WW knows her strength level, a double hand blow does not even move WW. Then there is WW's comment about her not even being in the same league as WW. I cannot rank this one. Katanna 1st feat: I think it's more than strength from Metamorpho's comment, " got some heavy mojo". I think it's her sword causing Metamorpho the issue. We know Meamorpho has at least enhanced strength but again difficult to rank. 2nd feat: JPV had a level of enhanced strength that made him around rank 5. He was only pressing Katanna with 1 arm and I don't think he was going all out as he does not use his second arm. I think he was playing with Katanna there. I would say she is at least mid to top end rank 3. Thoughts ? Ragdoll 1st feat: I think it's a lot to do with force application. You or I would use 1 arm to brace against and 1 arm to apply pressure to snap the neck. Ragdoll uses both arms in 1 direction as he uses his legs to brace himself. However he is stronger than his frame suggests. I would put him in bottom end of rank 4. 2nd feat: fractures bones much like a python does via constriction. I would still go with rank 4.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 29, 2012 21:38:37 GMT -5
1st feat: it's difficult to rank a striking feat for strength but not impossible. As the character lacks a kinetic punching power like Iron Fist, I would rate this as a rank 8 or 9 fet. I base this on accomplishments of Spider-Man, Scorpion and Luke Cage. This seems correct to me as well. Nice break down. 2nd feat: I am not clear how strong King Shark is. So it's difficult rate. Shark has bitten through steel armour so he has at least rank 7 strength in his jaws (please don't miss that joke ) I lol'd. As for King Shark, I'm not sure either. She has been consistently shown as his superior though. 3rd feat: WW clearly does not expect her level of super strength so she is staggered when she gets hit. It does make WW's lip bleed to a tiny extent. However now that WW knows her strength level, a double hand blow does not even move WW. Then there is WW's comment about her not even being in the same league as WW. I cannot rank this one. I think it's an idicator that she has a good amount of strength, but how much I'm not sure. You would have to be pretty strong to even move Wonder Woman at all though. 1st feat: I think it's more than strength from Metamorpho's comment, "got some heavy mojo." I think it's her sword causing Metamorpho the issue. We know Meamorpho has at least enhanced strength but again difficult to rank. There has to be some measure of strength there as well. I also don't see how the mystical sword would be effecting Metamorpho either... 2nd feat: JPV had a level of enhanced strength that made him around rank 5. He was only pressing Katanna with 1 arm and I don't think he was going all out as he does not use his second arm. I think he was playing with Katanna there. I would say she is at least mid to top end rank 3. Thoughts ? I would say that is basically correct IMO. She is a woman who works out regularly, so I could see that being correct. 1st feat: I think it's a lot to do with force application. You or I would use 1 arm to brace against and 1 arm to apply pressure to snap the neck. Ragdoll uses both arms in 1 direction as he uses his legs to brace himself. However he is stronger than his frame suggests. I would put him in bottom end of rank 4. At least you were able to figure it out. I was stumped on him lol. 2nd feat: fractures bones much like a python does via constriction. I would still go with rank 4. Seems to be consistent for him.
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Post by drgnx on Nov 5, 2012 1:38:04 GMT -5
Here is some calculations I did, on comicvine to show that Thor's snake feat really was not impressive. media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117297/2685648-thorstrength31327.jpgNote the snake wrapped itself around the world about 2 times and the earth's circumference is 40075km so I put it at 80150km The snake I used to for the calculations were based on a 48ft snake that weighted 1.5 tons, using that as a bench mark it put this snake in the single digit millions of tons, ~8 million tons to be exact. source here for 48ft snake: www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/tv/redeye-titanoboa-slithers-onto-smithsonian-channel-20120305,0,799755.story Variables ----------------------------------------------------------------- Snake A - (48ft snake) length = 48ft = 0.0146304km weight = 1.5 tons Snake B - (snake of the 9 worlds) Length = 2(earths circumference) = 80,150km weight = W ------------------------------------------------------------ Calculations ---------------------------------------------------------- W/80150km = 1.5tons/0.0146304km => W = 1.5tons/0.0146304km X 80150km => W = 8,217,478.68 tons ----------------------------------------------------- You can play with the numbers a bit, because I'm perfectly aware difference species will have different mass/length ratios and the ratio might not scale linearly, but this is low showing ...
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 5, 2012 1:41:07 GMT -5
The feat is moot anyway in my opinion. The serpent was an abstract being.
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Post by drgnx on Nov 5, 2012 1:43:09 GMT -5
agreed but I see it brought up so much on vine <.<, people implied it weighed a 3rd of the earth ...
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Post by creator on Nov 5, 2012 19:13:36 GMT -5
Here is some calculations I did, on comicvine to show that Thor's snake feat really was not impressive. media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117297/2685648-thorstrength31327.jpgNote the snake wrapped itself around the world about 2 times and the earth's circumference is 40075km so I put it at 80150km The snake I used to for the calculations were based on a 48ft snake that weighted 1.5 tons, using that as a bench mark it put this snake in the single digit millions of tons, ~8 million tons to be exact. source here for 48ft snake: www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/tv/redeye-titanoboa-slithers-onto-smithsonian-channel-20120305,0,799755.story Variables ----------------------------------------------------------------- Snake A - (48ft snake) length = 48ft = 0.0146304km weight = 1.5 tons Snake B - (snake of the 9 worlds) Length = 2(earths circumference) = 80,150km weight = W ------------------------------------------------------------ Calculations ---------------------------------------------------------- W/80150km = 1.5tons/0.0146304km => W = 1.5tons/0.0146304km X 80150km => W = 8,217,478.68 tons ----------------------------------------------------- You can play with the numbers a bit, because I'm perfectly aware difference species will have different mass/length ratios and the ratio might not scale linearly, but this is low showing ... Nice calculation. I did something similar about 4 years ago on the Vine and that ended messily with lots or arguments. I did look at a several varieties of snake and the relationship between the wall thickness of the snakes cross section to its open interior does vary so there is some inconsistency. Another variable is that Asgardians have flesh about 3x denser than a humans. So it is possible that as an Asgardians monster, it's flesh might also be denser than normal.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 5, 2012 22:40:31 GMT -5
It might also be that the snake weighed nothing at all or that its weight was subjective depending on who tried to lift it. With a being that could materialize out of nothing and its presence does nothing to the planet outside what it is acting upon directly, I see no reason to believe it had any noteworthy mass. Besides, Thor never displayed that kind of strength before or since to my knowledge if we use any kind of estimated weight.
If we use that feat, I swear to Christ I am dropping some Hercules lifting the universe or Superman/Wonder Woman lifting all of eternity.
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Post by creator on Nov 5, 2012 23:32:57 GMT -5
It might also be that the snake weighed nothing at all or that its weight was subjective depending on who tried to lift it. With a being that could materialize out of nothing and its presence does nothing to the planet outside what it is acting upon directly, I see no reason to believe it had any noteworthy mass. Besides, Thor never displayed that kind of strength before or since to my knowledge if we use any kind of estimated weight. If we use that feat, I swear to Christ I am dropping some Hercules lifting the universe or Superman/Wonder Woman lifting all of eternity. Actually Eric, its already on the grid at rank 23. My estimation is a lot higher than drgnx's was because it appears he only multiplied the length of the snake rather than all 3 of its dimensions. I happy to use it or ignore it but we need to avoid strength feats like lifting the Spectre. I cannot calculate the weight of eternity
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 5, 2012 23:56:36 GMT -5
It might also be that the snake weighed nothing at all or that its weight was subjective depending on who tried to lift it. With a being that could materialize out of nothing and its presence does nothing to the planet outside what it is acting upon directly, I see no reason to believe it had any noteworthy mass. Besides, Thor never displayed that kind of strength before or since to my knowledge if we use any kind of estimated weight. If we use that feat, I swear to Christ I am dropping some Hercules lifting the universe or Superman/Wonder Woman lifting all of eternity. Actually Eric, its already on the grid at rank 23. My estimation is a lot higher than drgnx's was because it appears he only multiplied the length of the snake rather than all 3 of its dimensions. I happy to use it or ignore it but we need to avoid strength feats like lifting the Spectre. I cannot calculate the weight of eternity I can. It would be an incalculable feat.
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Post by CitizenBane on Nov 6, 2012 4:16:06 GMT -5
Here is some calculations I did, on comicvine to show that Thor's snake feat really was not impressive. media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117297/2685648-thorstrength31327.jpgNote the snake wrapped itself around the world about 2 times and the earth's circumference is 40075km so I put it at 80150km The snake I used to for the calculations were based on a 48ft snake that weighted 1.5 tons, using that as a bench mark it put this snake in the single digit millions of tons, ~8 million tons to be exact. source here for 48ft snake: www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/tv/redeye-titanoboa-slithers-onto-smithsonian-channel-20120305,0,799755.story Variables ----------------------------------------------------------------- Snake A - (48ft snake) length = 48ft = 0.0146304km weight = 1.5 tons Snake B - (snake of the 9 worlds) Length = 2(earths circumference) = 80,150km weight = W ------------------------------------------------------------ Calculations ---------------------------------------------------------- W/80150km = 1.5tons/0.0146304km => W = 1.5tons/0.0146304km X 80150km => W = 8,217,478.68 tons ----------------------------------------------------- You can play with the numbers a bit, because I'm perfectly aware difference species will have different mass/length ratios and the ratio might not scale linearly, but this is low showing ... Nicely done. You can toss in some extra variables like the thickness of the snake's skin and so on, but even if you adjust those values and assume (hypothetically) that your calculation is off by a factor of 50 (an assumption that is on the higher end of absurd, but bear with me), the snake pulling feat tops out at a bit over 410 million tons at best. I'm really not sure why Thor fans on the Vine claim this is a planetary level feat because the snake was crushing Earth in its grasp. That is a function of the snake's strength more so than its weight. You can tie a rope tight around a basketball and if you exert enough force at both ends (assuming the rope doesn't snap), you can crush the basketball, but the rope still doesn't weigh as much as the ball does. Hulk, Superman, Lobo and so on all have better strength feats than this. And speaking of Lobo, I don't know whether he has been ranked already, but here is a trillion+ ton strength feat from him (but additionally, feel free to calculate how much strength it would take to do something as ridiculous as crushing a city into a tiny ball if you like. It makes my head hurt): He also once punched the Easter Bunny so hard it shattered half the planet they were on, but I don't know if striking power feats are counted here.
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Post by Beatboks on Nov 6, 2012 7:30:01 GMT -5
A better feat for Lobo would have been when he pulled Pulsar stargrave out of the sky in LEGION. at the time ( and I'm quoting PS) Stargrave had " stellar mass" so weighed equal to a star.
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Post by CitizenBane on Nov 6, 2012 13:27:05 GMT -5
I haven't read LEGION yet
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 6, 2012 13:57:35 GMT -5
I will forever oppose the use of the serpent feat.
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Post by creator on Nov 7, 2012 21:00:52 GMT -5
I will forever oppose the use of the serpent feat. That's acceptable as it is very much a best guess and I don't like using guess work.
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Post by drgnx on Nov 9, 2012 2:31:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback folks.. Nice calculation. I did something similar about 4 years ago on the Vine and that ended messily with lots or arguments. I did look at a several varieties of snake and the relationship between the wall thickness of the snakes cross section to its open interior does vary so there is some inconsistency. Another variable is that Asgardians have flesh about 3x denser than a humans. So it is possible that as an Asgardians monster, it's flesh might also be denser than normal. Actually Eric, its already on the grid at rank 23. My estimation is a lot higher than drgnx's was because it appears he only multiplied the length of the snake rather than all 3 of its dimensions. I happy to use it or ignore it but we need to avoid strength feats like lifting the Spectre. I cannot calculate the weight of eternity I thought my equation assumed everything scaled evenly, but you're correct it might not, it always meant to be quick and dirty but I can try to adjust. and add the 3 time density, but I thought this snake was "of the nine worlds" or is it Asguard origins? Nicely done. You can toss in some extra variables like the thickness of the snake's skin and so on, but even if you adjust those values and assume (hypothetically) that your calculation is off by a factor of 50 (an assumption that is on the higher end of absurd, but bear with me), the snake pulling feat tops out at a bit over 410 million tons at best. I'm really not sure why Thor fans on the Vine claim this is a planetary level feat because the snake was crushing Earth in its grasp. That is a function of the snake's strength more so than its weight. You can tie a rope tight around a basketball and if you exert enough force at both ends (assuming the rope doesn't snap), you can crush the basketball, but the rope still doesn't weigh as much as the ball does. Hulk, Superman, Lobo and so on all have better strength feats than this. Good point on the crushing strength, too, I had thought of this as well, I can try to figure this out but my grasp of physics regarding pressure and torque has always been weak ... lol I will see what I can come up with over the next few days, recovering from eye surgery so technically shouldn't be on the computer too much =P
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Post by drgnx on Nov 9, 2012 3:59:46 GMT -5
Hmmm okay new calculation using volume instead of length Regarding Thor's Serpent feat: media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117297/2685648-thorstrength31327.jpgNote the snake wrapped itself around the world about 2 times and the earth's circumference is 40075km so I put it at 80150km The snake I used to for the calculations were based on a 48ft snake that weighted 1.5 tons (highest given number), source here for 48ft snake: www.redeyechicago.com/entertainment/tv/redeye-titanoboa-slithers-onto-smithsonian-channel-20120305,0,799755.story Wiki for Diameter of 48ft snake en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanoboa#Size---------------------------------------------------------- Lets find the association between the length of the snake and the diameter 48 ft Length 3 Ft diameter => Ratio of diameter to Length = 1 : 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Lets find the ratio between the snakes volume and mass We know that "Diameter of a circle" = Height = Width = 3ft And the snake weighed 1.5 tons with a length of 48ft Using the volume of a cylinder V = πr^2h = 3.142 x (1.5 ft)^2 x 48 ft V = 339.336 ft^3 V:M => 339.336 ft^3 = 1.5 tons => 0.000000009608925455142912 KM^3 = 1.5 tons => 0.000000006405950303428608 KM^3 = 1.0 tons => 1 KM^3 = 156104863.85833771063387620391295 tons -> 1 KM^3 = 156104863.86 tons ---------------------------------------------------------- Now lets calculate the Sot9W dimensions using Ratio of diameter to Length = 1 : 16 Worlds circumference = 40 075 KM D:L = 1:16 => D: 2(worlds circumference) = 1:16 => D:80150KM = 1:16 => D/80150KM = 1/16 => D = 1/16 X 80150KM => D = 5010KM ---------------------------------------------------------- Next lets find the Sot9W Mass We know that "Diameter of a circle" = Height = Width = 5010KM The snake had a length of 80150km We are using a volume to Mass ratio of 1 KM^3 : 156104863.86 tons Using the volume of a cylinder V = πr^2h = 3.142 x (2505 KM)^2 x 80150 KM V = 1580247703282.5 KM^3 M:V = 156104863.86 tons:1 KM^3 => M:1580247703282.5 KM^3 = 156104863.86 tons:1 KM^3 => M/1580247703282.5 KM^3 = 156104863.86 tons/1 KM^3 => M = 156104863.86 tons/1 KM^3 X 1580247703282.5 KM^3 => 246,684,352,585,992,337,620.45 tons ---------------------------------------------------------- If we assume 3 x density 3 X 246684352581908438400 tons = 740,053,057,757,977,012,861.35 tons ---------------------------------------------------------- So compared to Superman's latest feat where does Thor stand? 1, OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO,OOO tons See underline It should not matter much if the snake is not a perfect cylinder as I've applied the formula to both, it evens out somewhat. For another perspective; I did the same calculations on the snakes as if they were "box shaped" and the numbers were very close to the numbers is used with the cylinder equation, variances (which occurred after the billions section) were most likely a result of my rounding of PI in the cylinder equations. Okay, this is a much higher number than before, I could be off again, but I feel awful for overlooking the volume and favoring just the length... I pretty much measured a giant toothpick ...
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Post by creator on Nov 10, 2012 0:22:04 GMT -5
I thought my equation assumed everything scaled evenly, but you're correct it might not, it always meant to be quick and dirty but I can try to adjust. and add the 3 time density, but I thought this snake was "of the nine worlds" or is it Asguard origins? Well according to his backstory, the Midgard Serpent is descended from Loki and a giantess so there is a good chance that the 3x human flesh density might still apply.
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Post by drgnx on Nov 10, 2012 1:21:15 GMT -5
Well according to his backstory, the Midgard Serpent is descended from Loki and a giantess so there is a good chance that the 3x human flesh density might still apply. But Loki is actually a Frost Giant, do Frost giants and ... Giants also have this genetic property? Here is what im considering, Loki might magically appear to be asguardian, and i would hope Odin should be competent enough to ensure that the magic ensured mating with full asguardians might yield full asguardian children (if he hoped Loki would never have found out his origins), but would that magic allow Loki to pass such properties to children with other races? If we assumed yes, then both races might need this 3x property to ensure things were not diluted.
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 10, 2012 2:24:25 GMT -5
The snake only weighed 10 tons. That is why Thor was able to throw it like he did.
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Post by creator on Nov 10, 2012 10:13:55 GMT -5
Well according to his backstory, the Midgard Serpent is descended from Loki and a giantess so there is a good chance that the 3x human flesh density might still apply. But Loki is actually a Frost Giant, do Frost giants and ... Giants also have this genetic property? Here is what im considering, Loki might magically appear to be asguardian, and i would hope Odin should be competent enough to ensure that the magic ensured mating with full asguardians might yield full asguardian children (if he hoped Loki would never have found out his origins), but would that magic allow Loki to pass such properties to children with other races? If we assumed yes, then both races might need this 3x property to ensure things were not diluted. Well Loki had the 3x density. So I would lean towards the Serpent having it too.
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