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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 15:03:51 GMT -5
I think it is completely safe to assume Hal Jordan cheated on that equivalent degree course. The invidulator in the exam mudy have been lax I think Hal can qualify for a 4. That's true. Ok let's move Cage to rank 3. At the same time I think the Thing should be a 3 as well. Do you agree ? Lol. Havoc was studying for his PhD when he went off to become a hero so I'm comfortable with him at rank 5. Ok let's see a list of super mans accomplishments to support the move. One point however. If Bishop is a product of his time as you say, why is Superman not simply a product of Krypton - no smarter than average but simply aware of higher tech thanks to his education ? Forge is a successful business man and has extensive shamanistic knowledge as well. He has been portrayed as quite bright, being well read as shown by some of his discussions with Storm. I doubt Holmes would be that startled but I take your point. Where would you rank him then ? Fair point. Lets make them both the same rank. Ok. Lets see the accomplishments and rank him accordingly. Irons was rapidly becoming the replacement for Ray Palmer on the JLA at one point and those are some big shoes to fill I'm not denying he is a genius inventor and engineer but there are a lot of other fields that Reed is also versed in like Biology, zoology and many fields of dimensional, temporal and theoretical science that Tony only has a passing knowledge of. Reeds the entire encyclopedia. Starks several chapters. Pym was the go to guy on Biochemistry after all he wrote th book on size changing. I'll see if I can find the quote but Marvel said he was the worlds foremost biochemist. Added to that he was also made the Scientist Supreme (had to laugh at that) but was told he was not the smartest or most brilliant.
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Post by creator on Oct 13, 2012 15:13:38 GMT -5
@ creator, thoughts on my suggestion for Brainiac, and the furhter discussion on Ultra et all. Sorry for the slow reply Beat. I have been at work on more grids. Have a look in the Power Grid thread as I will be posting what should be coming next. Now back to Brainiac. His science was incredibly advanced but I agree he was more narrowly focused than his relatives. I would still put him above Luthor though. So Rank 23 maybe. I'd move Ultra to Rank 23 as well.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 13, 2012 20:11:20 GMT -5
I don't agree with the following. Why are Iceman and Thing, who has a scientific background IIRC, in the same category as Electro and Scorpion? I would say either move Electro and Scorpion down, or these two up. I think Hawkeye should be further up as well. He has pretty good deductive skills and is very tactically gifted. He been able to escape a fortress of armed assassins. He had to go get his bow and arrows, then escape successfully. Add that to his showings against the Batroc Brigade and the Thunderbolts, and I think he should get a 4 or 5. What has Falcon done to suggest he should get a 4? I've never seen anything to suggest he is that intelligent. I've never seen anything to suggest his more intelligent than your average man, in fact. Huntress being on this level is astounding to me. I've only seen her as a brash fighter without planning. She doesn't have any scientific knowledge and her detective skills are mediocre at best IMO. Also, props for putting Edward Nigma where he deserves to be. I would move Thing up as he handles advanced ships with ease and employs advanced avionics know how like its nothing, but explain why iceman should move. No idea why Huntress is a 5 other than deduction skills. Assemble some evidence for Hawkeye and let's review it. Falcon has learnt advanced science and engineering skills from Wakandian engineers and made repairs /modifications to his wings. Not sure if this puts him at 4. I just think Iceman is quite a bit more intelligent than Scorpion or Electro. I say she would fall into a 3 or possibly 2 Will do. Give me a while, as I don't have regular access to a laptop at the moment. I certainly don't think he is a 4, and I'm a fan of his.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 29, 2012 0:17:56 GMT -5
bump for creator
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Post by creator on Oct 29, 2012 20:23:19 GMT -5
I would move Thing up as he handles advanced ships with ease and employs advanced avionics know how like its nothing, but explain why iceman should move. No idea why Huntress is a 5 other than deduction skills. Assemble some evidence for Hawkeye and let's review it. Falcon has learnt advanced science and engineering skills from Wakandian engineers and made repairs /modifications to his wings. Not sure if this puts him at 4. I just think Iceman is quite a bit more intelligent than Scorpion or Electro. I say she would fall into a 3 or possibly 2 Will do. Give me a while, as I don't have regular access to a laptop at the moment. I certainly don't think he is a 4, and I'm a fan of his. I accept Iceman is smarter than Scorpion and likely Electro as well. Rank 3 then. Huntress: As per iceman she is smarter than Scorpion. Rank 3 for her. Falcon: rank 3 then.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 30, 2012 0:33:08 GMT -5
I think Hal can qualify for a 4. Eww... Disagree. I am willing to accept that he SOMEHOW passed the equivalent degree course but has he ever displayed any kind of intellect that would put him above average? Thing is a little more difficult for me. I only know he has the same military history as Hal. So he too had to have passed this equivalent degree course. But he also landed a spot as with NASA. I don't think there has ever been a NASA pilot of average intellect or even moderately gifted. So he is a dropout? PhD level intellect... denied!!! Good point. But the difference is that Superman is not a product of Krypton, he is a product of small town American upbringing. Based on his upbringing, we should be surprised he can recite the alphabet. The list of inventions he has made off the top of my head: 1) He made the Vanishing Tech in the For Tomorrow story along with the technology used to create an entire world in the Phantom Zone and the robots therein. 2) He has created several robots for the Fortress of Solitude, some of which appeared to be sentient. 3) He made quiet improvements to Batman's miniature red-sun generator, presumably without Batman's knowledge to spare Batman's ego. 4) He has eidetic memory. 5) He was able to understand Kryponian technology with average human education. If I remember right, even Luthor does not have a perfect understanding of how that stuff works. That is all I can think of right now without bringing in all the times he outsmarts Luthor... Okay good enough for me. Toughy. I never really saw Bishop display noteworthy intellect that I can remember. Sounds good. Irons stepping in for Palmer does not mean he was equal to him though. And I still think Batman's Superman armor, the JL giant robots, and the Insider suit are things that I personally consider more impressive than Irons' armor in my opinion. Ah, but Reed does not have Stark's level of intellect in engineering at all. He can reach that point by cheating but he clearly displayed surprise when he adjusted his brain to match Tony's and the clear difference it was from his default. I would probably say it is more fitting that Reed is an encyclopedia with a small section on engineering with several references to "further reading" in Tony Stark's volumes. PYM IS STUPID AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR DEFENDING HIM!!!
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Post by Beatboks on Oct 30, 2012 2:13:04 GMT -5
PYM IS STUPID AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR DEFENDING HIM!!! I'm no Pym fan but Erik he's far from stupid. He clearly has degrees in biology, and several fields of physics. he designed Ulton after all so his knowledge on robotics, cybernetics and engineering is far from lacking. Now personally I'd place Dane Whitman above him (because I'm more of a black knight fan - you know magic and all) but Dane doesn't have the range of fields of knowledge Pym has displayed. His feats clearly place him well up the rankings.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Oct 30, 2012 3:06:13 GMT -5
I just think Iceman is quite a bit more intelligent than Scorpion or Electro. I say she would fall into a 3 or possibly 2 Will do. Give me a while, as I don't have regular access to a laptop at the moment. I certainly don't think he is a 4, and I'm a fan of his. I accept Iceman is smarter than Scorpion and likely Electro as well. Rank 3 then. Huntress: As per iceman she is smarter than Scorpion. Rank 3 for her. Falcon: rank 3 then. Sounds good.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 30, 2012 13:06:17 GMT -5
PYM IS STUPID AND YOU ARE STUPID FOR DEFENDING HIM!!! I'm no Pym fan but Erik he's far from stupid. He clearly has degrees in biology, and several fields of physics. he designed Ulton after all so his knowledge on robotics, cybernetics and engineering is far from lacking. Now personally I'd place Dane Whitman above him (because I'm more of a black knight fan - you know magic and all) but Dane doesn't have the range of fields of knowledge Pym has displayed. His feats clearly place him well up the rankings. Not sure if you are just continuing something I started but in case you were not, I was just joking around because I no longer had anything to contribute on the matter of Pym's ranking.
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Post by CitizenBane on Oct 30, 2012 13:25:39 GMT -5
Everyone is smarter than Gargan lol.
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Post by creator on Oct 30, 2012 17:14:57 GMT -5
Everyone is smarter than Gargan lol. Rhino ain't ;D
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Post by creator on Oct 30, 2012 18:31:36 GMT -5
Eww... Disagree. I am willing to accept that he SOMEHOW passed the equivalent degree course but has he ever displayed any kind of intellect that would put him above average? Well considering Hals character I don't think he cheated at his exams so I would say he must be above average intelligence as if he took a degree in aeronautical engineering, a degree friends of mine studied, it's a hard degree as it crosses in to several fields. Then Hal also got a job as a military test pilot. Test pilots had a history of going on to become NASA pilots. And as you said, "I don't think there has ever been a NASA pilot of average intellect or even moderately gifted." The Thing is one of the most under rated characters around, in terms of strength, fighting ability and intelligence (don't get me started on the old Thing vs. Colossus fight......"but steel smashes stone".....). I know he can master piloting alien spacecraft in mere minutes. From this I would say he is an intuitive pilot. Is a 3 or 4 accordingly ? I'm not sure but he is at least a 3. Do we leave him there and then review the list at a later date ? Havoc seems smarter in my opinion than Cyclops. Although Cyclops might have a advantage in tactical ability, I think Havok is the better leader and has a better understanding of people. Does this make him a 5 ? Again I'm tempted to leave him situ and see how the list pans out. He may have been raised in Kansas and got his basic education there but he went on to get extensive courses in Kryptonian science (depending upon which origin we use) at the Fortress. He is very bright because he absorbed all this learning and can make practical use of it. This last part is very important as you can be incredibly smart but if you cannot apply the knowledge you cannot show it (rather like displaying the feats we look for to rank the characters). However he was provided a store of knowledge at the Fortress, which includes schematics for all manner of Kryptonian devices like robots. So again it puts a light on how he applies his knowledge. The fact that he has a eidetic memory does not matter. I have known 2 people with eidetic memories. Both could pass any test that only required reproducing info on a test paper. One could not however easily modify that knowledge and apply in different ways as so was limited in his abilities. He lacked creativity. In effect he was a computer and a computer ain't smart. Ok, Forge gets to stay at rank 7 Then Bishop at rank 3 or 2 ? In which case, at the minute I am seeing Superman at rank 12. Thoughts? But we have put Irons 1 rank lower than Palmer Irons suit is quite compact by comparison to some others and the hammer is a serious piece of tech. We have him at rank 20. I would easily drop him to 19. Reeds first big project was building a spacecraft. He designs and builds spacecraft, aircraft and even buildings. He's got 'engineer' tattooed where it counts. Yes Stark is a better engineer but Reed is by far the better scientist and Reeds creativity spans fields that Stark has hardly heard of. Reeds the benchmark for everyone else on the list. I only wish I was half as smart as Pym. Then I would be a very clever man indeed
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 30, 2012 18:38:28 GMT -5
Andrea from The Walking Dead television show = 1.
She seems completely incapable of making the correct decision ever. If not for everyone else in the show saving her life time after time, her story would have ended episode 1.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 30, 2012 18:39:30 GMT -5
Andrea from the comic = 2. 3 if you consider the fact that she is one of the smartest in what is left of her world's cities lol.
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Post by creator on Oct 30, 2012 20:18:01 GMT -5
Andrea from the comic = 2. 3 if you consider the fact that she is one of the smartest in what is left of her world's cities lol. LOL
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Oct 30, 2012 20:30:53 GMT -5
I only wish I was half as smart as Pym. Then I could hold the world hostage with my army of giant killer antsFixed. You're not fooling us Creator. We know how you scientist guys think. ;D
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Post by creator on Oct 30, 2012 20:55:41 GMT -5
I only wish I was half as smart as Pym. Then I could hold the world hostage with my army of giant killer antsFixed. You're not fooling us Creator. We know how you scientist guys think. ;D LOL Damn you saw through my ploy
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Post by CitizenBane on Oct 31, 2012 12:32:00 GMT -5
Everyone is smarter than Gargan lol. Rhino ain't ;D WHATCHOO SAY? When's the last time Gargan expressed an admirable command of the English language? Huh? HUH?
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Post by creator on Oct 31, 2012 17:20:30 GMT -5
WHATCHOO SAY? When's the last time Gargan expressed an admirable command of the English language? Huh? HUH? Artificially smartened Rhino ain't the norm
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Post by Erik-El on Nov 11, 2012 3:22:19 GMT -5
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