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Post by Erik-El on Apr 5, 2013 1:02:51 GMT -5
Sounds reasonable.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 1:14:37 GMT -5
I'm never vindictive. I just have to be able to give the same mission to everyone and have it be challenging for all similarly. Like I said though, there are plenty of characters with extensive tech. Most Bounty Hunters and Smugglers had some tricks up their sleeve. A lot were more than a match for a Jedi or Sith.
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Post by Beatboks on Apr 5, 2013 1:51:57 GMT -5
Might make a second team.
How acceptable would the defiant from DS9 ( Star Trek be) as a ship
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 1:56:13 GMT -5
Probably totally fine. I seem to remember the energy output of Star Wars ships greatly exceeding those of Star Trek vessels though. I mean I don't actually know if that would be an issue for you, just saying.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 5, 2013 1:56:51 GMT -5
No need to explain yourself to me. This is your thread, you do you thing.
I personally think it would have gone smoother if you have just started with, "Only can create characters based around actual things that exist in the SWEU, must have had decent amount of exposure, and nothing (or only one character) can be 'hero level'".
That way, the 7 straight hours I put into creating my initial team would have fit your criteria and there wouldn't have been the not-inconsiderable subsequent hours of revision, rejection, and suggestions that I try to fit square pegs into round holes via Dedman stratagems.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 2:12:29 GMT -5
No need to explain yourself to me. This is your thread, you do you thing. I personally think it would have gone smoother if you have just started with, "Only can create characters based around actual things that exist in the SWEU, must have had decent amount of exposure, and nothing (or only one character) can be 'hero level'". That way, the 7 straight hours I put into creating my initial team would have fit your criteria and there wouldn't have been the not-inconsiderable subsequent hours of revision, rejection, and suggestions that I try to fit square pegs into round holes via Dedman stratagems. I understand that. I will try to be more clear with my rules in future. The upside is most of your characters only require minor revisions. Most famous Mandalorians would suit your character very well. They're a culture of highly skilled warriors and hunters. Honestly, you could just give him Cap's physical stats and keep your description of him to explain his fighting skills. Since it's got more of an RPG-tone, you can make it up as you go on how good of a fighter he is. He's your character. You tell me how good he is. Can he cut a swath through a troop of soldiers before they can even react, Samurai style? He can if you want. Someone with Cap's physicals and high end fighting skill could do it. If you say he's a master swordsman, he's a master swordsman. That's totally cool. Mandalorian warriors have held their own with Jedi and Sith in duels. A Beskad will hold up to a lightsaber just fine. With that in mind, there is nothing stopping all 4 of your crew from being 'hero level'. Force users are supposed to be rare and I didn't want everyone just using 4 Jedi or 4 Sith for everything. Also, I want to make sure you have someone who can fly your ship properly, etc. So for varieties sake I put in a 1 Force user per team rule.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 5, 2013 2:21:46 GMT -5
Yeah none of what you are asking is unreasonable at all. But like the conversation you and I had about a year ago concerning RPG-type threads, details of the rules is paramount for various reasons but in this case, to save both of us a lot of time and keep the players from getting carried away.
No one wants to make a mediocre character, even if what you are asking for is still completely capable within your scenario. People almost always want to make the most badass guy they can envision within their restrictions, y'know?
That said, I am still in. Just venting frustrated energy I suppose.
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Post by Beatboks on Apr 5, 2013 2:23:40 GMT -5
Basically as I recall Defiant was a smaller more heavily armored ( Ablative plating0 and faster ship than a normal Star Trek star ship. Needless to say I'll forgo the cloaking device it's got. Again IIRC the biggest problem in early appearances of it was that it's drive was too powerful for it's intertial dampeners or some such.
Role - Leader template - Mal Reynolds
Role Pilot Template - Starbuck ( Original 1984 Battlestar Galactica)
Still thinking of the other two. I think I want a mimbarui warrior and a Jedi
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 2:37:03 GMT -5
Yeah none of what you are asking is unreasonable at all. But like the conversation you and I had about a year ago concerning RPG-type threads, details of the rules is paramount for various reasons but in this case, to save both of us a lot of time and keep the players from getting carried away. No one wants to make a mediocre character, even if what you are asking for is still completely capable within your scenario. People almost always want to make the most badass guy they can envision within their restrictions, y'know? That said, I am still in. Just venting frustrated energy I suppose. I know. How about I meet you halfway. Let's just say genetic splicing to a limited extent is fair game. Kamino cloners did it... sort of. How about we come to a compromise, say your boy there is a slightly altered clone of some Mando warrior and he can have Cap's physicals and Wolverine's healing factor and senses. It's nothing a Cathar with an intravenous kolto injection system couldn't achieve. So he's still a human clone like Boba Fett, just with some slight enhancements.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 2:42:02 GMT -5
Basically as I recall Defiant was a smaller more heavily armored ( Ablative plating0 and faster ship than a normal Star Trek star ship. Needless to say I'll forgo the cloaking device it's got. Again IIRC the biggest problem in early appearances of it was that it's drive was too powerful for it's intertial dampeners or some such. Role - Leader template - Mal Reynolds Role Pilot Template - Starbuck ( Original 1984 Battlestar Galactica) Still thinking of the other two. I think I want a mimbarui warrior and a Jedi That sounds like a totally badass all-star team. But... if I was flying around the galaxy, I know which Starbuck I'd want to be sharing crew quarters with. Because she's just a great pilot.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 5, 2013 3:03:43 GMT -5
Yeah none of what you are asking is unreasonable at all. But like the conversation you and I had about a year ago concerning RPG-type threads, details of the rules is paramount for various reasons but in this case, to save both of us a lot of time and keep the players from getting carried away. No one wants to make a mediocre character, even if what you are asking for is still completely capable within your scenario. People almost always want to make the most badass guy they can envision within their restrictions, y'know? That said, I am still in. Just venting frustrated energy I suppose. I know. How about I meet you halfway. Let's just say genetic splicing to a limited extent is fair game. Kamino cloners did it... sort of. How about we come to a compromise, say your boy there is a slightly altered clone of some Mando warrior and he can have Cap's physicals and Wolverine's healing factor and senses. It's nothing a Cathar with an intravenous kolto injection system couldn't achieve. So he's still a human clone like Boba Fett, just with some slight enhancements. Nah. I think I will go with my latest revision. Still need to decide on new gear though.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 3:11:47 GMT -5
All good. You have plenty of time.
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Post by Beatboks on Apr 5, 2013 3:20:44 GMT -5
Basically as I recall Defiant was a smaller more heavily armored ( Ablative plating0 and faster ship than a normal Star Trek star ship. Needless to say I'll forgo the cloaking device it's got. Again IIRC the biggest problem in early appearances of it was that it's drive was too powerful for it's intertial dampeners or some such. Role - Leader template - Mal Reynolds Role Pilot Template - Starbuck ( Original 1984 Battlestar Galactica) Still thinking of the other two. I think I want a mimbarui warrior and a Jedi That sounds like a totally badass all-star team. But... if I was flying around the galaxy, I know which Starbuck I'd want to be sharing crew quarters with. Because she's just a great pilot. True in pilot skills she's every bit as good as the Dirk Benadict one. I just don't recall her being anywhere near as capable in a gun fight. The original out drew and put down several cylons. No other Colonial Warrior could not even Apollo.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 3:21:45 GMT -5
That's pretty legit.
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Post by Erik-El on Apr 5, 2013 3:34:56 GMT -5
Equipped my droid with some gear.
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 3:59:46 GMT -5
Looks all good.
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Post by Beatboks on Apr 5, 2013 6:23:02 GMT -5
Dane is River tam allowed as a template???
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 6:39:22 GMT -5
Probably not. There is no real application for her psychic abilities, nor do we really know the extent of what she can and can't do. In the show they're mostly used as a plot device and nothing more, off memory.
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Post by Beatboks on Apr 5, 2013 6:51:33 GMT -5
Probably not. There is no real application for her psychic abilities, nor do we really know the extent of what she can and can't do. In the show they're mostly used as a plot device and nothing more, off memory. I was more after the kick ass warrior killer of the movie with mild Tp senses. The fact that she was so "programed" to be a perfect weapon
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Post by Dane on Apr 5, 2013 7:16:48 GMT -5
Well, sure, I can't see why not. I just rewatched her fight scenes. Honestly, when you sit down and watch it, they aren't much to write home about. In the Reaver fight, what she does is spin blades in concentric circles while people run into them. In the bar fight, what she does is push kick people who have no apparent fighting skill at all.
It looks cool when you watch the movie but I wouldn't actually rate her fighting skills anywhere in the ballpark of most comic book characters. On the other hand, there are a lot of Star Wars characters with fairly high-end fighting skill ratings.
You can take her, but I want to be up front with my opinion of how well she would fair in the sort of scenarios we usually do. I don't see her taking down people with mid to high-end fighting skills.
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