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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 22:46:27 GMT -5
if learning how to use magic is a super-power,wouldnt fighting skills like Batman's or Captain America's be considered a super-power as well? if it is something ''anyone'' can learn,it is not really super I'm learning maths in school. I'm obviously super human... ;D yay! we are super-humans suck on that,puny humans *high-fives Spidey_15*
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:46:49 GMT -5
I never said the X-gene itself was the power. But given how diversified mutant abilities tend to be, how would those not qualify as super powers? As humans are currently in Marvel (and in reality), we/they have natural physical and mental limits, as well as specific aptitudes in different areas. So, while not everyone may have the same capability, in general, we all are relatively similar, as far as the minimal and maximum limitations on our physicality and mentality. With mutants, they are all completely different. You have some with abilities such as Cypher, and then you have others such as Mad Jim Jaspers. There is no comparison. You cannot compare what limits humans have in reality to anything in comics. Mutants do have powers. I never said they do not. I never implied they do not. In fact, my stance is that they do have powers. Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power?
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 1, 2011 22:47:58 GMT -5
You cannot compare what limits humans have in reality to anything in comics. Mutants do have powers. I never said they do not. I never implied they do not. In fact, my stance is that they do have powers. Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power? I think the next step is supposed to be Homo Supreme or something like that. Isn't that what Mr Immortal is?
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:49:07 GMT -5
You cannot compare what limits humans have in reality to anything in comics. Mutants do have powers. I never said they do not. I never implied they do not. In fact, my stance is that they do have powers. Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power? Yes. Because the gene is not a power. The side effects are.
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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 22:49:16 GMT -5
Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power? I think the next step is supposed to be Homo Supreme or something like that. Isn't that what Mr Immortal is? as far as i know,yes
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 22:50:35 GMT -5
I'm learning maths in school. I'm obviously super human... ;D yay! we are super-humans suck on that,puny humans *high-fives Spidey_15* "High-fives Herbert Moon "
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:51:15 GMT -5
Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power? I think the next step is supposed to be Homo Supreme or something like that. Isn't that what Mr Immortal is? Yes. Mutants are not the next step in evolution.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 1, 2011 22:51:18 GMT -5
if learning how to use magic is a super-power,wouldnt fighting skills like Batman's or Captain America's be considered a super-power as well? if it is something ''anyone'' can learn,it is not really super The power is the magic. The super is the fact that it can be used to do something that is out of the ordinary. When it becomes ordinary for people to cast mystical illusions, shapeshift, shoot fireballs, and summon demons by way of magic, then we can say magic isn't super anymore. Just like when we see everyone in comic world manipulating chi like it's no big deal. It's just like what Syndrome said. I'm learning maths in school. I'm obviously super human... ;D
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:54:32 GMT -5
Fair enough, but hypothetically speaking, if everyone on Marvel earth became homo superior, then would it still qualify as a power? Yes. Because the gene is not a power. The side effects are. How is that different from having potential Chi manipulation? The potential Chi manipulation/mutant gene are not the power. The side effect of it is.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 22:54:58 GMT -5
^^^ROFL
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:57:36 GMT -5
Yes. Because the gene is not a power. The side effects are. How is that different from having potential Chi manipulation? The potential Chi manipulation/mutant gene are not the power. The side effect of it is. Because it is not potential chi manipulation. Everyone has it. It is no different than a person who never learned to use their left pinky. It is still there, they just do not use it. Mutant powers are considerably different than that.
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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 22:57:49 GMT -5
if learning how to use magic is a super-power,wouldnt fighting skills like Batman's or Captain America's be considered a super-power as well? if it is something ''anyone'' can learn,it is not really super The power is the magic. The super is the fact that it can be used to do something that is out of the ordinary. When it becomes ordinary for people to cast mystical illusions, shapeshift, shoot fireballs, and summon demons by way of magic, then we can say magic isn't super anymore. Just like when we see everyone in comic world manipulating chi like it's no big deal. It's just like what Syndrome said. but if people can learn it,then it cant be actualy super,by that logic,Batman's fighting skills are ''super'' as well the fun part is Superman's math is actualy wrong 16 x 20 x 10 = 3.200
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:59:19 GMT -5
@herbert Moon: Lol Superman's super-math is wrong? LMAO.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 22:59:22 GMT -5
Hhahahahahahaha
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 23:01:43 GMT -5
How is that different from having potential Chi manipulation? The potential Chi manipulation/mutant gene are not the power. The side effect of it is. Because it is not potential chi manipulation. Everyone has it. It is no different than a person who never learned to use their left pinky. It is still there, they just do not use it. Mutant powers are considerably different than that. Not sure I follow. I am not seeing the difference between these, especially since many mutants actually do have to learn how to use their powers. Very rarely does effective use of their powers come naturally to them. If everyone evolved into mutants, but, according to you, they still had powers, then why is it that when everyone has the ability to use Chi, it is not a power?
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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 23:03:38 GMT -5
@herbert Moon: Lol Superman's super-math is wrong? LMAO. just use a calculator my math >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super-Math ;D ;D ;D
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 1, 2011 23:03:54 GMT -5
but if people can learn it,then it cant be actualy super,by that logic,Batman's fighting skills are ''super'' as well I'd be willing to argue that his fighting skills are indeed "super" just to a far lesser degree than magic/chi manipulation. The guy dodges bullets. "Normal" people can't do that, unless they've gone through the amount of training DC deems necessary to.
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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 23:05:23 GMT -5
but if people can learn it,then it cant be actualy super,by that logic,Batman's fighting skills are ''super'' as well I'd be willing to argue that his fighting skills are indeed "super" just to a far lesser degree than magic/chi manipulation. The guy dodges bullets. "Normal" people can't do that, unless they've gone through the amount of training DC deems necessary to. well,if you do feel they can be considered (to an extent) Super,then Magic is definetively a super-power
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 23:05:56 GMT -5
Because it is not potential chi manipulation. Everyone has it. It is no different than a person who never learned to use their left pinky. It is still there, they just do not use it. Mutant powers are considerably different than that. Not sure I follow. I am not seeing the difference between these, especially since many mutants actually do have to learn how to use their powers. Very rarely does effective use of their powers come naturally to them. If everyone evolved into mutants, but, according to you, they still had powers, then why is it that when everyone has the ability to use Chi, it is not a power? The only mutant that i imagine he didn't have to learn how to use his powers might be Logan.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 23:08:18 GMT -5
but if people can learn it,then it cant be actualy super,by that logic,Batman's fighting skills are ''super'' as well I'd be willing to argue that his fighting skills are indeed "super" just to a far lesser degree than magic/chi manipulation. The guy dodges bullets. "Normal" people can't do that, unless they've gone through the amount of training DC deems necessary to. Dodging bullets is not a result of his skills. It's a result of the exercise he did. The guy reached the human potential of strength speed and reaction timing. He can think and react fast enough so he could dodge these things. Cap on the other hand had a serum that allowed him to do these things. =]
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