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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 1, 2011 20:43:31 GMT -5
Alright I'm starting this thread because I don't want to bog down a battle thread any more.
But this really bugs me. People saying characters with absurdly super-human capabilities because it isn't written as "he has super-strenght" or whatever.
Frankly to me that ridiculous. As long as you can do something beyond human ability to perform with aid from some macguffin or tapping into something beyond the human range. You have super-powers.
A guy gets a sorcerer as a mentor. And through that training he learns to cast spells. Ergo through training he acquired super-powers. Something with a chi artist who learns to heal his own wounds at will wit meditation. He learned super-powers. That is something beyond human limitations. Or Billy Batson who learned the secret word to become Captain Marvel.
Basically this rant is me asking. What do people define as having powers?
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 1, 2011 20:48:21 GMT -5
Karate Kid doesn't have powers. Using Chi isn't a power either.It's an acquired skill.Iron Fist doesn't have powers.Chi is something every human being has.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 1, 2011 21:30:56 GMT -5
Super powers are abilities super humans have that allow them to perform feats that normal humans can't. Things like leaping tall buildings than a single bound, being more powerful than a locomotive, and moving faster than a speeding bullet. There are certain subsets to being superhuman that gives people more of a general idea as to how super a particular human is, such as peak, enhanced, super, and such, but it all falls under the category of "super human." Karate Kid doesn't have powers. Using Chi isn't a power either.It's an acquired skill.Iron Fist doesn't have powers.Chi is something every human being has. I'm sorry, but I sorely disagree with that. Supposedly everyone has it. It's life-force, spiritual energy. The concept of chi is common in wide array of belief systems and religions. That much I can buy, but you can't tell me that someone who can use chi to perform unnatural feats isn't super. If that's true, then looking at the DBZ universe, normal people should be able to fly, shoot energy blasts, punch through mountains, etc. In the Marvel universe, Iron Fist while not officially labeled a superhuman has indeed used his chi to perform superhuman level feats of speed, agility, and strength. Just because it's an acquired doesn't make it any less super.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 1, 2011 22:07:09 GMT -5
Super powers are abilities super humans have that allow them to perform feats that normal humans can't. Things like leaping tall buildings than a single bound, being more powerful than a locomotive, and moving faster than a speeding bullet. There are certain subsets to being superhuman that gives people more of a general idea as to how super a particular human is, such as peak, enhanced, super, and such, but it all falls under the category of "super human." Karate Kid doesn't have powers. Using Chi isn't a power either.It's an acquired skill.Iron Fist doesn't have powers.Chi is something every human being has. I'm sorry, but I sorely disagree with that. Supposedly everyone has it. It's life-force, spiritual energy. The concept of chi is common in wide array of belief systems and religions. That much I can buy, but you can't tell me that someone who can use chi to perform unnatural feats isn't super. If that's true, then looking at the DBZ universe, normal people should be able to fly, shoot energy blasts, punch through mountains, etc. In the Marvel universe, Iron Fist while not officially labeled a superhuman has indeed used his chi to perform superhuman level feats of speed, agility, and strength. Just because it's an acquired doesn't make it any less super. DBZ characters don't have powers either.Manipulating ones own life force is not a power.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 1, 2011 22:20:31 GMT -5
Please define what a power is.
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:21:43 GMT -5
DBZ characters don't have powers either.Manipulating ones own life force is not a power. Oh, really?
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:23:01 GMT -5
Karate Kid doesn't have powers. Using Chi isn't a power either.It's an acquired skill.Iron Fist doesn't have powers.Chi is something every human being has. This is true. Everyone has chi in comics, just only a few have learned how to focus/channel/access it through training.
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:28:49 GMT -5
If an ability present in everyone, whether dormant or accessible, is not a power, then mutants are not superhumans either.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:30:25 GMT -5
If an ability present in everyone, whether dormant or accessible, is not a power, then mutants are not superhumans either. The X-gene does not exist in everyone. Only in mutants.
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:33:08 GMT -5
If an ability present in everyone, whether dormant or accessible, is not a power, then mutants are not superhumans either. The X-gene does not exist in everyone. Only in mutants. No, but supposedly, everyone on Marvel earth will evolve the X-gene.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:34:35 GMT -5
The X-gene does not exist in everyone. Only in mutants. No, but supposedly, everyone on Marvel earth will evolve the X-gene. Supposedly mutants would have eventually replaced humans. But the X-gene is not even the power. The powers are the side-effects of the X-gene.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 1, 2011 22:36:09 GMT -5
Karate Kid doesn't have powers. Using Chi isn't a power either.It's an acquired skill.Iron Fist doesn't have powers.Chi is something every human being has. This is true. Everyone has chi in comics, just only a few have learned how to focus/channel/access it through training. Just because everyone has the potential to use it doesn't make it any less super. Everyone has chi in comics, but not everyone knows how to manipulate it. Just like, as Crom pointed out in the OP, everyone has the potential to learn magic.
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Post by Matezoide on Jan 1, 2011 22:39:11 GMT -5
This is true. Everyone has chi in comics, just only a few have learned how to focus/channel/access it through training. Just because everyone has the potential to use it doesn't make it any less super. Everyone has chi in comics, but not everyone knows how to manipulate it. Just like, as Crom pointed out in the OP, everyone has the potential to learn magic. if learning how to use magic is a super-power,wouldnt fighting skills like Batman's or Captain America's be considered a super-power as well? if it is something ''anyone'' can learn,it is not really super
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:40:33 GMT -5
No, but supposedly, everyone on Marvel earth will evolve the X-gene. Supposedly mutants would have eventually replaced humans. But the X-gene is not even the power. The powers are the side-effects of the X-gene. I never said the X-gene itself was the power. But given how diversified mutant abilities tend to be, how would those not qualify as super powers? As humans are currently in Marvel (and in reality), we/they have natural physical and mental limits, as well as specific aptitudes in different areas. So, while not everyone may have the same capability, in general, we all are relatively similar, as far as the minimal and maximum limitations on our physicality and mentality. With mutants, they are all completely different. You have some with abilities such as Cypher, and then you have others such as Mad Jim Jaspers. There is no comparison.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 22:40:48 GMT -5
I like that thread. =]
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:41:30 GMT -5
This is true. Everyone has chi in comics, just only a few have learned how to focus/channel/access it through training. Just because everyone has the potential to use it doesn't make it any less super. Everyone has chi in comics, but not everyone knows how to manipulate it. Just like, as Crom pointed out in the OP, everyone has the potential to learn magic. Not everyone has the potential for magic. Near as I can remember, there are those that are able to tap into magic and those that are not. The ones that are not usually have to use magical "devices" to execute their spells. In comics, everyone has chi. Everyone has the ability to use it should they train for it. You cannot get that in magic. I do not even know one character that was not a special circumstance with magic. Strange was. He was special. Voodoo was. Zatanna is.
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Post by spidey_17 on Jan 1, 2011 22:41:54 GMT -5
Just because everyone has the potential to use it doesn't make it any less super. Everyone has chi in comics, but not everyone knows how to manipulate it. Just like, as Crom pointed out in the OP, everyone has the potential to learn magic. if learning how to use magic is a super-power,wouldnt fighting skills like Batman's or Captain America's be considered a super-power as well? if it is something ''anyone'' can learn,it is not really super I'm learning maths in school. I'm obviously super human... ;D
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Post by Silver on Jan 1, 2011 22:44:09 GMT -5
@spidey: LOL.
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Post by Erik-El on Jan 1, 2011 22:45:21 GMT -5
I never said the X-gene itself was the power. But given how diversified mutant abilities tend to be, how would those not qualify as super powers? As humans are currently in Marvel (and in reality), we/they have natural physical and mental limits, as well as specific aptitudes in different areas. So, while not everyone may have the same capability, in general, we all are relatively similar, as far as the minimal and maximum limitations on our physicality and mentality. With mutants, they are all completely different. You have some with abilities such as Cypher, and then you have others such as Mad Jim Jaspers. There is no comparison. You cannot compare what limits humans have in reality to anything in comics. Mutants do have powers. I never said they do not. I never implied they do not. In fact, my stance is that they do have powers.
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Post by Power NeXus on Jan 1, 2011 22:45:45 GMT -5
Personally, I consider a legit superpower to be defined as an ability that can not be attained by any amount of training, education, or practice.
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