Killshot Caine
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 11, 2011 17:46:27 GMT -5
That's right..I said it.Consistency is damn near an oxymoron in comics.Way more than half of the comics i've read in my lifetime have been covered in plot devices and random depictions of nonsense.If you read an entire volume or series and it's 100 issues..at least 50 will be poorly written.Wouldn't it be easier for writers to stay with what the guy before him did? Why do writers always have to reach so hard.Some times it's hard to know what some characters can do because their feats either don't match their stats AT ALL whether it be over or under or the character is overyhyped by things said about him by other characters..things that haven't been confirmed because they are said and not shown.Does anyone else get this vibe from comics? It's like you can only know what an average showing would be for someone by taking the good with the bad and turning it into math...
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Post by Morpheus on Jan 11, 2011 17:47:29 GMT -5
The best part is when a book contradicts itself within the course of the same issue.
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Post by Strafe Prower on Jan 11, 2011 17:47:40 GMT -5
I agree with this.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 11, 2011 17:50:34 GMT -5
I just don't like how some characters are so poorly written you can't even use what they've done in comics to back them up.All you can say is.."well_____is their powers and that's better than what the other guy can do".
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Post by Morpheus on Jan 11, 2011 17:56:38 GMT -5
Average showings really as a pain in the @ss. A character's powerset and abilities, and even mindset change radically in between writers. That is even more evident for characters that don't really have an on-going book, and act as guest stars.
For instance, the Silver Surfer's demeanor in the two years after Annihilation was extremely different in between Beta Ray Bill: Godhunter, Nova # 13-15, and his appearances in Hulk/Son of Hulk. The same thing pretty much happens in his current appearances in Hickman's F4, and the Thanos Imperative.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 17:59:34 GMT -5
I agree for the most part Vance. It's a very big problem with American comic lines. I can count on one hand american comics that haven't fallen to this.
I do believe you can pick the PIS from the worthwhile showings however.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 11, 2011 18:05:13 GMT -5
I agree for the most part Vance. It's a very big problem with American comic lines. I can count on one hand american comics that haven't fallen to this. I do believe you can pick the PIS from the worthwhile showings however. I agree.I know i can pick the worthwhile from the PIS...I just can't find the middle ground.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 18:07:55 GMT -5
I agree.I know i can pick the worthwhile from the PIS...I just can't find the middle ground. Well... I know I often take the unpopular position. But my general reasoning when trying to find middle ground is to base on track record. What are they consistently shown to be fully capable of doing versus what they are consistently shown to have trouble with. That's at least why I have not been impressed or hold in as high regard certain characters others do.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 11, 2011 18:31:50 GMT -5
Meh, I've always held onto the belief that if you're reading a book just to see what the protagonist can do in a fight, you're missing out on the story. That's why I don't care whether or not a writer keeps consistent with the feats of the character. If PIS happens for the sake of a decent plot, then it's all good. When I first got into comics, I always knew that a change in writers would mean varying power levels on characters, especially characters that've been around for over 70 years or whatever. It's bound to happen, no denying it. It'd be impossible for it not to happen, so why not just go with it? Getting hung up on consistency just seems like a waste of time to me. Outside of battle forum debates, I really don't see a need for it, but that's just me though.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 18:34:04 GMT -5
. If PIS happens for the sake of a decent plot, then it's all good. you cannot have a quality story with PIS involved. At bes you will have casual entertainment mixed in with the annoyance.
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Post by NexusOfLight on Jan 11, 2011 18:35:29 GMT -5
And it's that belief that I thoroughly disagree with.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2011 18:37:02 GMT -5
I can't help but feel like this problem would be so easily resolved if the major companies treated titles like TV series instead of just comics. This way, you'd likely have a creative team collaborate on one series for an extended period of time (a year or more). Cameos also can't be thrown around just for the sake of a fight or sales increase. I feel like if a cameo is going to happen, it should happen because it's LOGICAL (perhaps part of a bigger plot, or a shared foe within their proximity), not forced (like the majority of Wolverine, Deadpool, or Spider-Man's appearances).
But hey, that's never going to happen.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 18:46:01 GMT -5
But hey, that's never going to happen. Top Cow and Dark Horse do that. Ron Marz has been creative director and writer for Witchblade and the Top universe since issue 80 of Witchblade. He's writing or directing every major top cow universe arc. Dark Horse series are all creator owned and written by the teams involved in the creation.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2011 18:47:33 GMT -5
But hey, that's never going to happen. Top Cow and Dark Horse do that. Ron Marz has been creative director and writer for Witchblade and the Top universe since issue 80 of Witchblade. He's writing or directing every major top cow universe arc. Dark Horse series are all creator owned and written by the teams involved in the creation. My remark is really just about the big two, DC and Marvel. They'll switch creative teams in between stories (ASM) or even after a single arc. It's extremely annoying.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 18:51:21 GMT -5
My remark is really just about the big two, DC and Marvel. They'll switch creative teams in between stories (ASM) or even after a single arc. It's extremely annoying. The big two american companies are far from the only comic lines out there. And outside the U.S they are actually pretty small.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 11, 2011 18:54:34 GMT -5
. If PIS happens for the sake of a decent plot, then it's all good. you cannot have a quality story with PIS involved. At bes you will have casual entertainment mixed in with the annoyance. Something doesn't have to be PIS to have a plot device in it.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2011 18:56:38 GMT -5
...I'm aware America doesn't operate the only comic book companies, lmao. But as these forums go, the characters from both heavily dominate the conversations held by an international audience. This is evidence on the biggest comic-related Facebook groups, and as we unfortunately also know, CV. Naturally, I'm sure there are plenty of other forums, but the biggest ones appear to have an emphasis on those two. Do you perhaps care to expand our knowledge and introduce us to a better company that is rarely discussed?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Jan 11, 2011 18:58:59 GMT -5
Something doesn't have to be PIS to have a plot device in it. True, of course, but that is completely outside my point. A well used plot device can actually enhance a story. The same can never be said of PIS.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Jan 11, 2011 18:59:53 GMT -5
I can't help but feel like this problem would be so easily resolved if the major companies treated titles like TV series instead of just comics. This way, you'd likely have a creative team collaborate on one series for an extended period of time (a year or more). Cameos also can't be thrown around just for the sake of a fight or sales increase. I feel like if a cameo is going to happen, it should happen because it's LOGICAL (perhaps part of a bigger plot, or a shared foe within their proximity), not forced (like the majority of Wolverine, Deadpool, or Spider-Man's appearances). But hey, that's never going to happen. I completely agree.I feel like when it comes to comics..only the visual artistic work is collaborated on.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2011 19:05:21 GMT -5
I can't help but feel like this problem would be so easily resolved if the major companies treated titles like TV series instead of just comics. This way, you'd likely have a creative team collaborate on one series for an extended period of time (a year or more). Cameos also can't be thrown around just for the sake of a fight or sales increase. I feel like if a cameo is going to happen, it should happen because it's LOGICAL (perhaps part of a bigger plot, or a shared foe within their proximity), not forced (like the majority of Wolverine, Deadpool, or Spider-Man's appearances). But hey, that's never going to happen. I completely agree.I feel like when it comes to comics..only the visual artistic work is collaborated on. Yeah, it would be nice if the best minds behind certain characters decided to stick together and work on an ENTIRE series together.
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