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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 21, 2011 12:00:12 GMT -5
Ah, storing several of metal and armor inside his bones. Hey, you know what else is stored inside bones? ACTUAL INSIDES OF A BONE! Seriously. That's like saying Captain America stores his shield in his liver when he's not out fighting....
With that said, I'm with Dane all the way. Extremis rocks, Bleeding edge drools.
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Post by ckal on Jul 21, 2011 12:01:26 GMT -5
Bones are also somewhat hollow. So maybe it could reside in those hollow recesses. Also, it's a comic book
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 21, 2011 12:10:10 GMT -5
Bones are also somewhat hollow. So maybe it could reside in those hollow recesses. Also, it's a comic book \My ability to suspend my disbelief because it's a comic book has been steadily decreasing with time. And hell, I don't mind the regular shit they do every day, but look at that thing. There's enough metal there to outmass his entire skeleton. I think it's high time Tony drops all pretenses and claims the title of Sorcerer Supreme already, because there's no way science did that.
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Post by ckal on Jul 21, 2011 12:12:57 GMT -5
Lol. But it's Tony Stark! And he had help from Reed Richards to create his BE armor!
I agree though. Nothing annoys me more in comics than things that just plain don't make sense. I understand super heroes don't make sense, but I'm willing to accept super powers. I just mean some stuff that writers come up with.....Lol.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 21, 2011 12:34:09 GMT -5
Preach on, man. We're quite willing to put up with a lot of crap, but throw us a bone every now and then.
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Post by Morpheus on Jul 21, 2011 12:38:02 GMT -5
Iron Man having the armor inside his bones doesn't make sense, but Luthor curing cancer from his basement with a bunch of herbs and saying "I'm the goddamn Lex Luthor' does, right?
His current tech is supposedly so advanced that it will still be used for centuries to come. I don't see why suspending one's disbelief is so hard about something like that. We cannot possibly fathom what the world would be like in 400-500 years. Does it make a bit of sense? Not in the least. Is it any worse from thousands of other things we accept in comics? No, not at all.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 21, 2011 12:45:30 GMT -5
Lex Luthor was able to cure cancer IN A BASEMENT. WITH A BUNCH OF HERBS!
That seemed appropriate. ;D And no, I don't find that example as hard to believe, because it doesn't defy a fundamental law of physics, namely an object inhabiting empty space that doesn't exist.
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Post by Morpheus on Jul 21, 2011 12:57:28 GMT -5
LOL, good one.
It's fundamental now. But you cannot possibly know what is likely to happen in 400 years from now. And, sorry, no, Luthor curing cancer from a basement is impossible, too. Just because one thing is supposedly more likely than the other, it doesn't mean both are not flat out absurd, yet we really don't complain about it. We just say "Yeah, Luthor's a badass". So, allow me to be all like "Stark is a badass" as opposed to overanalysing stuff. It's Marvel. Their idea of comics is that a wooden stick can turn a man into a god, radioactive spiders give people spider powers, and nukes turn them to behemoths with nigh unlimited strength. There are tons of things to complain about that are just as silly if you want to put your mind to it.
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Post by ckal on Jul 21, 2011 13:03:46 GMT -5
Lmao nice reference phantom. I find Lex FREAKING Luthor doing that almost more unbelievable. With Stark's suit, we can just assume that it is a massively lightweight and durable material that can expand or compact very small or some shit like that. Curing cancer IN A BASMENT. WITH A BOX OF HERBS is just ludicrous. And let me guess, he decided not to share his cure with the world
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Post by Morpheus on Jul 21, 2011 13:15:25 GMT -5
He cured his sister, then he also had a countermeasure that reverted her to her earlier condition.
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Post by ckal on Jul 21, 2011 13:20:24 GMT -5
One person. That's selfish.
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Post by Morpheus on Jul 21, 2011 13:26:42 GMT -5
It was actually proposed to him as a challenge, to cure her with minimal resources. He just did it to prove he could, then undid it since there was nothing else to prove. "Lex giveth, and Lex taketh away."
About being selfish, duh, it's Lex.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Jul 21, 2011 13:34:29 GMT -5
There are levels to how scientifically hard a piece of fiction is, you know. As a general rule, the more other assumptions something forces you to make in order to explain it, the softer it is. Lex Luthor's cure of cancer, while quite silly in its own right is plausible in the sense that the herbs (a number of which were magical, IIRC) would more or less be everything you need to do to. You're messing with organic substances after all, all it takes is mixing them in ways no one has thought do far (anyone remember that article Dane posted a few months back, how scientists cured cancer but nobody noticed?). Iron Man's armor blatantly and obviously disregards basic physics by somehow compressing that much metal into a hollow space in the bones which doesn't exist and, even if did exist, would be way to small to hold nearly anything like that. Now you ask, would that still be a law 500 years for now. Fair enough, nothing is impossible, but that doesn't mean physics will do a handstand for you. the law that two objects cannot exist in the same space in the same time is a constant, and it's not going to change because we gain a better understanding of or anything. Ultimately, you could handwave it with some Pym particles or something, but every new handwave makes it less and less realistic. And I mean really., if you could do that, you could do shit far better than build a suit of armor. Fuck no. Instead, he invented a cure for the cure for cancer, in the same basement, at the same time, just for the lulz. But you know, Lex is awesome and all.
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Post by ckal on Jul 21, 2011 13:57:10 GMT -5
Lol.
About Stark's armor....it is not stored in his body as hard metal...obviously. It is some sort of liquid/gassy/other mystical density that allows it to be stored with minimal capacity, I would imagine. Maybe it just isn't stored with in his bones only, but also around his bones or in his muscles or something too. It does travel from his bones, through muscle, tissue, blood, etc to reach his skin anyways.
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Post by ckal on Nov 25, 2011 13:48:02 GMT -5
So the good thing about issue #510 is that it looks like IIM is actually going to be interesting again. Mandarin, Zeke Stane, plus others (Blizzard looks cool), and their nefarious plan looks like it will make for great reading once again.
I just hope it doesn't end up being too similar to the first arc of IIM, which it seems like it will be.
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Post by NorCalCO on Nov 25, 2011 16:05:26 GMT -5
Funny that you mentioned "The Five Nightmares" arc. When I was reading #510 yesterday I kept thinking that as well. They've been leading up to the Mandarin coming back for awhile now, since the Annual. I have an overall good feeling about where IIM is heading and I think this has the potential to be the best Iron Man arc since "World's Most Wanted," which I really enjoyed.
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Post by ckal on Nov 25, 2011 16:44:47 GMT -5
Was "World's Most Wanted" the one where Tony was going around the world to all his hideouts and gradually turning himself into a brain dead vegetable? Yeah, that was brilliance.
I definitely think this arc will bring IIM back to it's most successful elements. There are a lot of plot lines that will be going into this arc. Stane is a good villain for him, and Mandarin seems to fit as well. Plus, it will be nice to see some C List villain like Blizzard (apparently upgraded?) and a few others for Tony to beat up on in the meantime.
My only concern is that it will be TOO similar to the "Five Nightmares" arc.
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Post by NorCalCO on Nov 25, 2011 21:45:37 GMT -5
Was "World's Most Wanted" the one where Tony was going around the world to all his hideouts and gradually turning himself into a brain dead vegetable? Yeah, that was brilliance. Yeah, that's the one. It was a pretty lengthy arc that ran during Dark Reign. Issues #8-19. Absolutely loved it. I definitely think this arc will bring IIM back to it's most successful elements. There are a lot of plot lines that will be going into this arc. Stane is a good villain for him, and Mandarin seems to fit as well. Plus, it will be nice to see some C List villain like Blizzard (apparently upgraded?) and a few others for Tony to beat up on in the meantime. It's definitely set-up to stand out from the last few arcs ("Stark Disassembled," "Stark Resilient" and the "Fear Itself" arc). I like the fact that Zeke Stane is back and taking another shot at taking Tony down. With his being partnered up with the Mandarin this time things can get very ugly for Tony very quickly. They seem to be gearing up to attack on several fronts. It sure didn't take long for the fact that Tony got drunk to come back around. This will definitely be exploited to the fullest. My only concern is that it will be TOO similar to the "Five Nightmares" arc. I share the same concern, but I have a lot of faith in Fraction and I think he'll do something fresh with it. IMO he's done an excellent job with IIM since #1. It was actually my favorite ongoing until Uncanny X-Force started up.
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Post by ckal on Nov 26, 2011 9:41:55 GMT -5
I haven't been so keen on Fraction lately (really came to a head with Fear Itself), but I'm hoping he can turn it all around and it seems like he will with this new IIM arc.
Yeah, while Zeke Stane was a good threat to Tony in the first arc (mostly while Tony had no idea what was going on), now being partnered with Mandarin, the HAMMER family and Detroit Steel, and other C-List villains to do his bidding, Tony is going to be tested to his limits.
But, the first arc focused on destroying Tony's buildings worldwide....does he even have any of those anymore? I think he just has that one house named "Stark Resilient".
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Post by NorCalCO on Nov 27, 2011 15:17:47 GMT -5
Yeah, Tony has had to basically start over from scratch due to the events of The Five Nightmares / World's Most Wanted / Stark Disassembled. "Stark Resilient" is the new company and was the focus of the IIM stories that immediately followed after Dark Reign / Siege.
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