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Post by jakefury on Nov 28, 2011 22:31:45 GMT -5
Is the latest issue a good jumping on point?
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Post by NorCalCO on Nov 29, 2011 1:33:27 GMT -5
Yes, #510 is the first issue of the new, post-Fear Itself arc. Lmk if you start picking up this book, it's a favorite of mine. I highly recommend it.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 29, 2011 5:28:50 GMT -5
I never really liked Zeke Stane. He came across as too much of a snot nosed brat to me with all that "I am the future old man" bullshit. At least Yinsen's kid had a proper motive for doing shit (namely revenge). Zeke Stane is just a punk.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 29, 2011 7:22:34 GMT -5
He doesn't have any depth, but he's a formidable foil. Also, Zeke did have personal motivation too - you know, Iron Man beat his father so severely, Obadiah blew his own head off in despair.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Nov 29, 2011 7:27:16 GMT -5
I know, but he didn't seem that overly concerned with getting revenge as much as proving he's better. (Though maybe he did, it's been years since I read that), His dad biting it was more an excuse for him, not a reason.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 29, 2011 7:42:40 GMT -5
I agree. Just saying he did have a legacy beef.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 1, 2011 11:25:17 GMT -5
Really enjoyed issue #510.
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Post by NorCalCO on Dec 1, 2011 23:42:52 GMT -5
Really enjoyed issue #510. Me too. This arc definitely has A LOT of potential.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 7:03:38 GMT -5
Seems like the Gauntlet or Knightfall in its own way.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 2, 2011 9:18:58 GMT -5
Seems like the Gauntlet or Knightfall in its own way. Saw it compared to Hush at CBR. I hope Ult Tony doesn't think I'm betraying him by reading this series also.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 9:35:29 GMT -5
Haha, I think you'll enjoy it. Fraction can be slow at times with this series but he has worked wonders with Iron Man in general.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 2, 2011 9:37:04 GMT -5
Im on board. Also enjoyed his Mighty Thor #8.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 9:37:53 GMT -5
I haven't read Thor since the Galactus Seed concluded.
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Post by jakefury on Dec 2, 2011 10:07:51 GMT -5
I enjoyed it.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 2, 2011 10:09:36 GMT -5
Haha, I think you'll enjoy it. Fraction can be slow at times with this series but he has worked wonders with Iron Man in general. Ahem. Your mileage may vary though.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 10:46:27 GMT -5
Nah, it's as objective as possible in this instance. Fraction did put Iron Man back in the good books of many people with everything he did from 5 Nightmares to Stark Disassembled. His Heroic Age stories are obviously subpar in comparison, but # 1-25 were really good stuff.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 2, 2011 10:53:35 GMT -5
I still say vol4 blows it out of the water.
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 10:56:47 GMT -5
As an in depth character study probably so, as a means to redeem Tony, no.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Dec 2, 2011 11:17:07 GMT -5
Redeem him from what, Civil War? I suppose, but only by providing a fresh start unburdened by all the CW shit.
Ultimately, isn't characterization the greater measure of quality?
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Post by Morpheus on Dec 2, 2011 11:34:38 GMT -5
CW and SI.
I don't see it as a reset button. Fraction showed Tony in his prime while in Extremis, his struggle with the loss of his powers in the aftermath of SI and then 12 issues of him being on the run to preserve the secrets of fellow superhumans along with his own tech from falling in Osborn's hands. A literal deconstruction of the character. That is also strong characterization of an aspect of Iron Man that was overlooked in most other books, while v4 was an internal struggle with Iron Man coming to terms with the decisions that brought the fallout with the other Avengers and bordering on insanity due to his inability to do just that while controlling SHIELD. Both are crucial pieces of the puzzle in their own right but radically different.
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